--- In [email protected], "kandoro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "toasterboy66" > <toaster@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], > > "dr_defecto" <mr_ieus@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone - new member to the forum! > > > > > > > > > > Hi There, I'm new too, I deal with and support Designjets > > professionally in central Europe. > > > > > > I'd stay away from 130 for this kind of application, the Z2100 is > the > > way to go, if you add up all the accessoires to bring the 130 up to > > spec, you'll be rather close to the 24' Z2100 anyway, if you plan > on > > using HP consumables the larger cartridges of the Z might even save > > you some money in the long run. > > I'd stay away from CISS, not worth it unless you are running a > > serious production, and when printing on such expensive media, ink > > costs are less of a factor anyway, esp. if you have to repeat > > printouts because of colour issues, which is almost always a > concern > > with 3rd party inks. > > > > The 130 chassis was never really build for handling canvas, yes it > > can take rather thick paper from the rear paper paths, but after > all, > > it's a jumped up buiseness Inkjet, so fine art printing was never > > really the focus when designing it. > > The Z-series chassis on the other hand was designed exactly for > this > > kind of thing, much more reliable. > > Also, the pigmented inks of the Z are a huge plus, esp. on canvas, > > laminating goes against the idea of using canvas in the first place > > and spray on solutions are rather ineffective on this kind of > porous > > media. > > And if you are using a rip, support for Media (ICC profiles) is > much > > better on the Z, both, from HP and 3rd parties, as are the > profiling > > options, another important consideration. > > > > The only thing the 130 has really going for it is the Paper tray > (not > > suited for fine art papers). > > If you can do without it, i'd try to bite the bullet and go for the > > small Z. > > Large format printing will never be cheap, however pinching pennies > > at the wrong end might make it really expensive. > > > > As for the 5000, it's a great machine, unfortunately some spares > are > > hard to come by these days, but its a serious production printer > > anyway so it's probably 2 sizes too big for your needs. > > > > > You sound like a salesperson trying to sell more expensive OEM > equipment AND who hasn't used the HP 130 too much...AND doesn't know > much a canvas and protectant sprays...You sir are a perfect example > why one should find out for themselves rather than listen to the so > called experts...Sure the MUCH more expensive units have more > capabilites but you aren't giving the HP 130 nearly enough credit for > what it can do...I have printed over a thousand 24x36" canvas and > lustre prints using a HP 100 and now the HP 130 so I feel I have more > than enough experience to express my opinions... > > It will easily handle 20 mil 100% cotton duck canvas FROM THE > FRONT...Forget about the back unless you use light paper and the roll > attachment... > > Using QUALITY 3rd party inks with proper ICC profiling and you will > get equal or better results than the OEM Vivera inks...Use less > expensive proofing paper until the results are perfect for the final > canvas print...Start out with a resized 8x10 to see how close you are > and then work up from there... > Saying you will waste ink/canvas because of 3rd party inks is > ridiculous...Do you thinks HP actually makes their own inks?...NOT... > > Krylon spray on UV protectant is PERFECT for canvas...Stating > spraying canvas is not effective is ignorant...Using Illuminata > canvas and the Krylon spray with archival, UV dye inks will produce a > surface that only lacquer thinner will penetrate...In fact the canvas > itself is so good that a very wet water rub will not smear at all... > > There is no doubt that pigment inks offer some longevity values...But > along with that goes the extra cost and much more plugging which > equals down time AND lost media... > > I've used a CIS for 4 years with my old HP 100 and newer HP 130 with > not one problem...The entire unit with quality inks cost me the same > as one complete cartridge change...I've estimated at already saving > over a grand in ink costs... > > Cheers...
I use both a DJ 130 and a Z2100. The previous post is absolutely correct about the Zs being better suited by design for canvas. You can do it on a 130 but the Z series are certainly the way to go just for the profiling alone, not to mention the pigment inks and speed,etc,etc. ------------------------------------ Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPDesignJet_Printers Post message: [email protected] Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPDesignJet_Printers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPDesignJet_Printers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
