--- In [email protected], "jgury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "kandoro" <lwin49@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "toasterboy66" > > <toaster@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > "dr_defecto" <mr_ieus@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone - new member to the forum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi There, I'm new too, I deal with and support Designjets > > > professionally in central Europe. > > > > > > > > > I'd stay away from 130 for this kind of application, the Z2100 is > > the > > > way to go, if you add up all the accessoires to bring the 130 up > to > > > spec, you'll be rather close to the 24' Z2100 anyway, if you plan > > on > > > using HP consumables the larger cartridges of the Z might even > save > > > you some money in the long run. > > > I'd stay away from CISS, not worth it unless you are running a > > > serious production, and when printing on such expensive media, > ink > > > costs are less of a factor anyway, esp. if you have to repeat > > > printouts because of colour issues, which is almost always a > > concern > > > with 3rd party inks. > > > > > > The 130 chassis was never really build for handling canvas, yes > it > > > can take rather thick paper from the rear paper paths, but after > > all, > > > it's a jumped up buiseness Inkjet, so fine art printing was never > > > really the focus when designing it. > > > The Z-series chassis on the other hand was designed exactly for > > this > > > kind of thing, much more reliable. > > > Also, the pigmented inks of the Z are a huge plus, esp. on > canvas, > > > laminating goes against the idea of using canvas in the first > place > > > and spray on solutions are rather ineffective on this kind of > > porous > > > media. > > > And if you are using a rip, support for Media (ICC profiles) is > > much > > > better on the Z, both, from HP and 3rd parties, as are the > > profiling > > > options, another important consideration. > > > > > > The only thing the 130 has really going for it is the Paper tray > > (not > > > suited for fine art papers). > > > If you can do without it, i'd try to bite the bullet and go for > the > > > small Z. > > > Large format printing will never be cheap, however pinching > pennies > > > at the wrong end might make it really expensive. > > > > > > As for the 5000, it's a great machine, unfortunately some spares > > are > > > hard to come by these days, but its a serious production printer > > > anyway so it's probably 2 sizes too big for your needs. > > > > > > > > > You sound like a salesperson trying to sell more expensive OEM > > equipment AND who hasn't used the HP 130 too much...AND doesn't > know > > much a canvas and protectant sprays...You sir are a perfect example > > why one should find out for themselves rather than listen to the so > > called experts...Sure the MUCH more expensive units have more > > capabilites but you aren't giving the HP 130 nearly enough credit > for > > what it can do...I have printed over a thousand 24x36" canvas and > > lustre prints using a HP 100 and now the HP 130 so I feel I have > more > > than enough experience to express my opinions... > > > > It will easily handle 20 mil 100% cotton duck canvas FROM THE > > FRONT...Forget about the back unless you use light paper and the > roll > > attachment... > > > > Using QUALITY 3rd party inks with proper ICC profiling and you will > > get equal or better results than the OEM Vivera inks...Use less > > expensive proofing paper until the results are perfect for the > final > > canvas print...Start out with a resized 8x10 to see how close you > are > > and then work up from there... > > Saying you will waste ink/canvas because of 3rd party inks is > > ridiculous...Do you thinks HP actually makes their own > inks?...NOT... > > > > Krylon spray on UV protectant is PERFECT for canvas...Stating > > spraying canvas is not effective is ignorant...Using Illuminata > > canvas and the Krylon spray with archival, UV dye inks will produce > a > > surface that only lacquer thinner will penetrate...In fact the > canvas > > itself is so good that a very wet water rub will not smear at all... > > > > There is no doubt that pigment inks offer some longevity > values...But > > along with that goes the extra cost and much more plugging which > > equals down time AND lost media... > > > > I've used a CIS for 4 years with my old HP 100 and newer HP 130 > with > > not one problem...The entire unit with quality inks cost me the > same > > as one complete cartridge change...I've estimated at already saving > > over a grand in ink costs... > > > > Cheers... > > > I use both a DJ 130 and a Z2100. The previous post is absolutely > correct about the Zs being better suited by design for canvas. You > can do it on a 130 but the Z series are certainly the way to go just > for the profiling alone, not to mention the pigment inks and > speed,etc,etc. >
Hello: Well of course if you want to spend the extra $1800...For that I could buy 2 130's, 4 rolls of canvas and a CIS system...There is no doubt the Z series are better suited to canvas...For the price they should be...The point STILL remains the HP 130 is a VERY good printer for canvas considering what it costs...I never said it was the best..I do on average 1-2 prints per day so I don't need a porsche if you know what I mean..} cheers ------------------------------------ Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPDesignJet_Printers Post message: [email protected] Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPDesignJet_Printers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPDesignJet_Printers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
