To the person hiding behind a misnomer, " And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would agree to what I am saying ." If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that came to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to everything you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points. Am I arrogant? Of course I am, everyone is in ways they want to be, but I don't believe I was with regards to this mail chain. Am I an amateur? Of course, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know everything.
– Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of baby eklavya Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 11:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! Vignesh , Please stop this arrogance...This is not a place to cry for the lack of education / exposure you didn't get on the Mainframe . I am from India and i respect the technicians in IBM MAIN a lot . When i started my career on mainframe , nobody was there to train me on the subject which i badly wanted and i was so scared to take up tasks on zos fearing i would mess up something . Then i had to survive and started learning myself using the red books and a lot of other documents available online .But then i found IBM MAIN . This is the community which inspired me to stay on this technology and Now i have completed 12 + years on zos and i owe most of my knowledge to the legends here . Like Ed said , this is not a one way street . If you cannot contribute here , at least be polite to others and learn how to respect the individuals with such a vast knowledge and experience .You have no right to humiliate list members and if you think you can compare the skill levels ,sorry to say , they are poles apart .In fact Unless you put your efforts , you cannot learn anything . Nobody in IBM MAIN is sharing their knowledge because they are bound to . But it is because they are real professionals who had been on the system for so long and they know the pain of learning all these concepts .It is their passion and maturity on the platform which is making them respond to almost every query that is being posted here . And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would agree to what I am saying . When management focus on cost reduction , they are not realizing what kind of pathetic service is being delivered to the clients. And those idiots believe that Mainframe can be learned in few weeks like windows . "Oh my boy ! what is so difficult in migrating from RACF to CA ACF2 on Z/os when you can install Norton Antivirus on Windows 7 . After all , both are there to provide security ". To be honest , this is the sick mentality of management folks which has eventually ruined the quality of service that is being provided these days . And yes , i have seen ITIL fulfillment teams who joins a Severity 1 incident bridge from nowhere and keep asking for updates every second . The fun part is that , they don't have a clue about Mainframe . There was an auditor in my previous firm who kept on arguing why cant we setup zos similar to windows where the patches are automatically downloaded and installed . And it took 2 weeks to make him understand what is an RSU maintenance . Finally , i don't intend to offend anyone here . I thought of writing this here because I'am a fan of IBM MAIN and i cannot digest such arrogance from amateurs on a list like this which has seen the best mainframe technicians of the world . MARKSANDSPENCER.COM ________________________________ Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
