@Ed, "Then have your employer pop for education because that is how *WE* did it." Do you even understand how outsourcing companies stay alive. Nay, thrive? I agree, I haven't contributed much (anything?) to the community, but I once did offer a REXX I wrote to which I heard nothing but crickets. Maybe it was something only I needed and its implementation was way too specific to my environment.
@Tom, It's not me who's getting upset, it's folks who are cross at us (instead of being so towards their employer). It's not like I don't understand having your job taken away from you for no fault of yours. Again, you are seriously mistaken if you think anything bad that's happening to you is because of some technical individuals. The problem is without a shadow of doubt with the big man who decided to value money (he thinks) instead of your jobs. Of course Indian or wherever-the-hell-else based companies are going to jump at the opportunity of getting business. I don't think they'd mind being shady if it leads to getting more money. Business 101. Dude, I don't doubt for a second that senior folk working on the m/f are top notch rockstars. FYI, when I first got on the job, I had to "mount disk packs" and "z" in front of a crazy count of datasets each night to successfully finish that night's "batch". I got out of it by writing a REXX that would do it for me, when my exp. was basically 3 months. I don't like the o-word myself; makes me sick lol. Why would I be "passionately debating" with folks in my spare time when I could be having a beer or ten, unless I want to understand "the situation" better. @John, Guess what probably went on for the 5 hours? Repeated, repeated, repeated request for updates from up above and/or "ITIL-fulfilment teams". It may be as frequent as once in 2 minutes. How can one expect any progress if one isn't allowed to work, and is now responsible for answering the same questions again and again. Sure, you meant to convey a diff. point with this, but I'm just butting in. - Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 4:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! On Feb 25, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > No one's forcing you to Ed. But I'm guessing you're helping around > here because you love what you do, not because you want to help "your > people" alone. > One can't learn a lot from equals, and one certainly can't learn a lot > from those who are (for the lack of a more sensitive phrase) below > them. > Sure, if this community doesn't want to help, that means workload > mounts for IBM in the form of a trillion more service requests lol. > But those who are here to learn will find a way. > > - Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure ------------------------------------------------- SNIP--------------------------- Then have your employer pop for education because that is how *WE* did it. I don't have an issue of answering questions but it is NOT a one way street. Go to SHARE (or your area equivalence). In years past I have paid for my OWN trip to GUIDE/SHARE out of my own pocket. Have you done the same. It occurs to me that you see IBM-MAIN as a one way street, it isn't its a group and we all contribute not just ask questions. Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM ________________________________ Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
