Vignesh , Please stop this arrogance...This is not a place to cry for the lack of education / exposure you didn't get on the Mainframe . I am from India and i respect the technicians in IBM MAIN a lot . When i started my career on mainframe , nobody was there to train me on the subject which i badly wanted and i was so scared to take up tasks on zos fearing i would mess up something . Then i had to survive and started learning myself using the red books and a lot of other documents available online .But then i found IBM MAIN . This is the community which inspired me to stay on this technology and Now i have completed 12 + years on zos and i owe most of my knowledge to the legends here .
Like Ed said , this is not a one way street . If you cannot contribute here , at least be polite to others and learn how to respect the individuals with such a vast knowledge and experience .You have no right to humiliate list members and if you think you can compare the skill levels ,sorry to say , they are poles apart .In fact Unless you put your efforts , you cannot learn anything . Nobody in IBM MAIN is sharing their knowledge because they are bound to . But it is because they are real professionals who had been on the system for so long and they know the pain of learning all these concepts .It is their passion and maturity on the platform which is making them respond to almost every query that is being posted here . And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would agree to what I am saying . When management focus on cost reduction , they are not realizing what kind of pathetic service is being delivered to the clients. And those idiots believe that Mainframe can be learned in few weeks like windows . "Oh my boy ! what is so difficult in migrating from RACF to CA ACF2 on Z/os when you can install Norton Antivirus on Windows 7 . After all , both are there to provide security ". To be honest , this is the sick mentality of management folks which has eventually ruined the quality of service that is being provided these days . And yes , i have seen ITIL fulfillment teams who joins a Severity 1 incident bridge from nowhere and keep asking for updates every second . The fun part is that , they don't have a clue about Mainframe . There was an auditor in my previous firm who kept on arguing why cant we setup zos similar to windows where the patches are automatically downloaded and installed . And it took 2 weeks to make him understand what is an RSU maintenance . Finally , i don't intend to offend anyone here . I thought of writing this here because I'am a fan of IBM MAIN and i cannot digest such arrogance from amateurs on a list like this which has seen the best mainframe technicians of the world . On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:51 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < [email protected]> wrote: > @Ed, > "Then have your employer pop for education because that is how *WE* did > it." Do you even understand how outsourcing companies stay alive. Nay, > thrive? > I agree, I haven't contributed much (anything?) to the community, but I > once did offer a REXX I wrote to which I heard nothing but crickets. > Maybe it was something only I needed and its implementation was way too > specific to my environment. > > @Tom, > It's not me who's getting upset, it's folks who are cross at us (instead > of being so towards their employer). It's not like I don't understand > having your job taken away from you for no fault of yours. > Again, you are seriously mistaken if you think anything bad that's > happening to you is because of some technical individuals. > The problem is without a shadow of doubt with the big man who decided to > value money (he thinks) instead of your jobs. > Of course Indian or wherever-the-hell-else based companies are going to > jump at the opportunity of getting business. I don't think they'd mind > being shady if it leads to getting more money. Business 101. > > Dude, I don't doubt for a second that senior folk working on the m/f are > top notch rockstars. > FYI, when I first got on the job, I had to "mount disk packs" and "z" in > front of a crazy count of datasets each night to successfully finish that > night's "batch". > I got out of it by writing a REXX that would do it for me, when my exp. > was basically 3 months. > > I don't like the o-word myself; makes me sick lol. Why would I be > "passionately debating" with folks in my spare time when I could be having > a beer or ten, unless I want to understand "the situation" better. > > @John, > Guess what probably went on for the 5 hours? Repeated, repeated, repeated > request for updates from up above and/or "ITIL-fulfilment teams". It may be > as frequent as once in 2 minutes. > How can one expect any progress if one isn't allowed to work, and is now > responsible for answering the same questions again and again. > Sure, you meant to convey a diff. point with this, but I'm just butting in. > > - Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ed Gould > Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 4:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! > > On Feb 25, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > > > No one's forcing you to Ed. But I'm guessing you're helping around > > here because you love what you do, not because you want to help "your > > people" alone. > > One can't learn a lot from equals, and one certainly can't learn a lot > > from those who are (for the lack of a more sensitive phrase) below > > them. > > Sure, if this community doesn't want to help, that means workload > > mounts for IBM in the form of a trillion more service requests lol. > > But those who are here to learn will find a way. > > > > - Vignesh > > Mainframe Infrastructure > > ------------------------------------------------- > SNIP--------------------------- > > Then have your employer pop for education because that is how *WE* did it. > I don't have an issue of answering questions but it is NOT a one way > street. > Go to SHARE (or your area equivalence). In years past I have paid for my > OWN trip to GUIDE/SHARE out of my own pocket. > Have you done the same. It occurs to me that you see IBM-MAIN as a one way > street, it isn't its a group and we all contribute not just ask questions. > > Ed > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > ________________________________ > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. 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