Had pretty much the same answer but with less polished words, so.. happy that you've got the same points across in a better manner than I was about to 😊
– Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: 07 January 2019 13:36 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Zowe? I think there's a lot more to it then just a new GUI. The engine behind Zowe is an API layer which will enable vendors and customers to integrate tools. The Zowe GUI is modern web tech using Angular/React and other cutting edge technologies so everything will run in a browser or mobile devices. Editors will use new standards like the Language Server Protocol and will be able to move seamlessly between browsers or PCs to reside on either the cloud or desktop. That's a hell of a lot more compelling then Eclipse plugins. If you want to reach out to young people to work on mainframes they will expect this kind of technology. It seems absurd but there a is huge amount of young people out there using VS Code or Atom editors using Vim emulation! Why not add ISPF emulation for the old timers? There is also much emphasis on a CLI which is critical for automated builds and deployments. Zowe is more marketing then substance at the moment but give it time and we should start to see cool things coming online soon. Of course ISPF isn't going anywhere soon. We teach the young guys 3270 and they learn in with no problems and for a whole lot of use cases it's better and more efficient in terms of user interaction. Young devs these days spend a lot of time in a comand shell typing commands. But for a lot of things like editors or anything that benefits from graphics the GUI is the go. On 7/01/2019 11:45 am, Phil Smith III wrote: > Thanks, Matt. That's a substantive answer, and I think confirms what I had > posited, more or less. > > > > Put another way, it's "Windows 1.0 for z/OS". That's not a bad thing, but > remember that Windows didn't really start to be successful until it left the > "fullscreen shell over linemode" paradigm. Yes, it's 30 years later, so > things have evolved somewhat, but my concern with this approach is safety: > it's bad enough when you do the wrong thing and fall off the cliff into > linemode-land. It's worse when you do the wrong thing and you *don't* fall > off the cliff, but things keep on going. > > > > I'm hopeful that experience with the Linux GUIs (GNOME et al.) is sufficient > to prove my fears groundless. > > > > .phsiii > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM ________________________________ Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
