> Z/OS back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days WTF is "SP3.8". I might believe OS/VS2 Release 3.8, or MVS/SP V3 (MVS/ESA), there was no SP version with 8 releases.
> was “open source” if you call fiche open source. There were optional source material tapes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Matt Hogstrom <m...@hogstrom.org> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Zowe? You are correct David, thanks. I was the proud recipient of a kidney stone Sunday night so my response is a bit delayed. It looks like most of the questions / comments were answered. If you want further information please let me know and I’ll provide the best info I can. I recall someone made the comment that “it’s open source so its good”. Z/OS back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days was “open source” if you call fiche open source. A lot of products shipped source and patched (I recall the days of installing UCC-1, 7 and 11). Hopefully what we’ll see is a return to community code for the platform as a framework and collection of services through Zowe. At least that is my intent. Honestly, our biggest challenge now is how to make z/OS instances available to college students that are interested in getting involved. It’s. A good problem to have. 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There are many of us out >> here who are still wondering what this project really is. >> >> First, a caution: Please, please define your acronyms the first time you use >> them. E.G., what is JWT? Most of us (well, this application programmer in >> particular) have no idea what that is. Java Work Tooling? I am left to >> guess. > > JWT stands for JSON Web Token > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hzESW405S3yCRXd7jA4kv2viCea1tbFLtM_dzV8ACj7rulnm1shO0iZKtjnt0V-ay1gFCN6h_5Yui7KvNa3TyY6rtzF3CiZCH74ZoN6TGiub28r2ggAIrVVzg5lN8vQjDLNnTsgyMUAJpv7oNJDiWIeVC86tDLkghqJJpLfksGzuGiuN9_r2s91wD3z4hwM3XJZbcOBSbnkDotirYfeYP9P0YJptJfhQCdbXnuFzOsY6fs7bDan0qxm3Hrr9jZFkpbVV7_IwfosLzTEYi-U0eDyNqDZHcAj63Kj0DzFQKhyUYhM-tXlpFOCiOV3w6L2C8HxYXDX_EoO6dWm9Rt6lt7E17vgDcXvDpD3OJK_GoQbkPshy5jMemgopbW1eulRsLRCCnslcSmhDZ5IGtUReJJKQ58K9EFBsqXB0qrYoeKgYjva3SLX2HjrnymA8Vsa5/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJSON_Web_Token > which are used for authentication for web services. This is a huge upgrade > on z/OSMF which uses a proprietary method based upon Websphere. > Everybody writing clients for REST APIs understands JWTs. > >> Another couple of examples: "HTML5 enabled desktop". Does that mean code >> that runs in a browser on my desktop? "WebSocket enabled APIs"? Same >> question. > > HTLM5 is current standard for web browsers, so enough said. Web sockets are > used to send data from a server to a client (usually a browser) over a > stream. WebSockets server can send data, such as performance data, SMF etc > to multiple clients without being polled. Huge performance benefits. > >> >> I thought I grokked this one: "JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much >> like a Finder or Explorer on Windows would work" until the next sentence: >> "web interface that doesn’t require 3270 to submit, etc.". Again, does that >> mean a separate program like Windows Explorer, or just a new browser >> interface? >> >> It would help greatly if there was a video demonstration of these >> capabilities. Did any of the Zowe presentations at SHARE include live >> online demonstrations of already-available capabilities, and if so are those >> video's available through SHARE or on the Zowe website? >> >> For the application programmer (not for the systems gurus who maintain the >> environment) what is the experience intended to be? I'm not from anywhere >> near Missouri, but I really need to be shown how what Zowe is touting could >> help me in my everyday work. >> >> If I understand it, perhaps I can make a case to my management. But first I >> have to understand it. >> >> Still somewhat confused . . . >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Matt Hogstrom >> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 6:16 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Zowe? >> >> Not to mention the difference between nappies and diapers. >> >> Zowe is an open source project created to host technologies that benefit the >> Z platform from all members of the Z community (ISV’s and consumers). The >> initial code base was seeded with technologies from CA Technologies, IBM and >> Rocket. Each of us had developed capabilities that we wanted to use to >> enhance the platform but proprietary products were not the way to create an >> eco-system; creating proprietary products was just BAU. We needed to see >> if such a community was viable and so each contributed a set of technology >> and we worked through the legal issues of moving what was new and some >> long-standing code to an EPL-2.0 license which allows anyone to consume and >> use the code. The choice of three was more about being able to manage the >> issues of community formation and not in any way to be exclusive. Three was >> a lot of work and we now have a good framework (legal, governance, hosting, >> etc.) to start with. >> >> A late addition by CA was the addition of the Mediation Layer which we are >> using to federate a number of platform services. We have an advanced use of >> JWT that allows for accessing multiple services only requiring a user to >> sign-on once. This is ahead of platform goals of using JWT in the Security >> Managers. Open source allows us to experiment and deliver capabilities >> faster than traditional development methods and delivery streams on Z. >> >> The initial contributions were the CLI and some VS Code extensions from CA, >> WebSocket enabled APIs from IBM and a HTML5 enabled desktop that allowed for >> hosting multiple Angular applications. Consider these contributions to be >> more of the framework for enabling access to Z on-top of which new >> applications can be built. The applications that are provided as of now and >> a few more candidates for 1.0 later this month are: >> >> CLI plugins (Console, TSO, file, JES interface, etc.) where developers that >> are not accustomed to Z can interact using their shell of choice (we expect >> most people to be some bash variant). This interface uses direct z/OSMF >> APIs for these services. >> >> JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much like a Finder or Explorer on >> Windows would work). Simple and familiar web interface that doesn’t require >> 3270 to submit, retrieve check status on jobs, etc. >> >> MVS and USS explorer. Provides access for retrieving / sending files to and >> from the z/OS system. Again, very Finder / Explorer like. A significant >> advantage here is the applications run in an HTML 5 framework and eliminate >> the maintenance of Java and other frameworks on desktops. There are a >> number of customers that are looking to eliminate Desktop dependencies >> around Java. >> >> Contextual Editor (allows for editing and updating with a context sensitive >> editor that is extensible with a language server). >> >> TN3270 Emulator - fully functional 3270 emulator that runs in the desktop. >> All models supported. No client install needed. >> >> Some applications that I’m working on are an IPL explorer that will >> interrogate the systems in a Plex and navigate the rats nest of Parmiib >> members. Doing this at night so going is a bit slow right now. >> >> Other products are using Zowe capabilities like the IBM Db2 Dev/Ops >> experience as well as the OMEGAMON for Storage. Other products are coming >> as well. >> >> The best way I have to describe Zowe is that its like Mac or Windows where >> they come with a set of APIs and OS capabilities that applications build on >> and include some applications out of the box like described above. >> >> The goal is to innovate faster, in the open under the oversight of a >> community that vets the code, verifies its source and tests what is >> delivered. >> >> Sorry for the long response to the WTF question but I think it was a fair >> question that deserved a response. >> >> -- >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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