There is no " MVS/SP 3.8". They say that the memory is the second thing to go.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Matt Hogstrom <m...@hogstrom.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Zowe? I meant MVS/SP 3.8. I can’t remember if that was the last release or the first OCO but that was the timeframe I was referring to. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 “Quantity has a quality all its own.” — Joseph Stalin > On Jan 8, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > >> Z/OS back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days > > WTF is "SP3.8". I might believe OS/VS2 Release 3.8, or MVS/SP V3 (MVS/ESA), > there was no SP version with 8 releases. > >> was “open source” if you call fiche open source. > > There were optional source material tapes. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 <http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3> > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> on behalf of Matt Hogstrom > <m...@hogstrom.org <mailto:m...@hogstrom.org>> > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> > Subject: Re: Zowe? > > You are correct David, thanks. I was the proud recipient of a kidney stone > Sunday night so my response is a bit delayed. > > It looks like most of the questions / comments were answered. If you want > further information please let me know and I’ll provide the best info I can. > > I recall someone made the comment that “it’s open source so its good”. Z/OS > back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days was “open source” if you call fiche open > source. A lot of products shipped source and patched (I recall the days of > installing UCC-1, 7 and 11). Hopefully what we’ll see is a return to > community code for the platform as a framework and collection of services > through Zowe. At least that is my intent. Honestly, our biggest challenge > now is how to make z/OS instances available to college students that are > interested in getting involved. It’s. A good problem to have. > > Matt Hogstrom > m...@hogstrom.org > PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 > > "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” > - Hanlon’s Razor > >> On Jan 7, 2019, at 9:20 AM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com >> <mailto:dcrayf...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I can't speak for Matt but... >> >> On 7/01/2019 2:06 pm, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: >>> Matt, >>> >>> Thanks for the extended and detailed response. There are many of us out >>> here who are still wondering what this project really is. >>> >>> First, a caution: Please, please define your acronyms the first time you >>> use them. E.G., what is JWT? Most of us (well, this application >>> programmer in particular) have no idea what that is. Java Work Tooling? I >>> am left to guess. >> >> JWT stands for JSON Web Token >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hzESW405S3yCRXd7jA4kv2viCea1tbFLtM_dzV8ACj7rulnm1shO0iZKtjnt0V-ay1gFCN6h_5Yui7KvNa3TyY6rtzF3CiZCH74ZoN6TGiub28r2ggAIrVVzg5lN8vQjDLNnTsgyMUAJpv7oNJDiWIeVC86tDLkghqJJpLfksGzuGiuN9_r2s91wD3z4hwM3XJZbcOBSbnkDotirYfeYP9P0YJptJfhQCdbXnuFzOsY6fs7bDan0qxm3Hrr9jZFkpbVV7_IwfosLzTEYi-U0eDyNqDZHcAj63Kj0DzFQKhyUYhM-tXlpFOCiOV3w6L2C8HxYXDX_EoO6dWm9Rt6lt7E17vgDcXvDpD3OJK_GoQbkPshy5jMemgopbW1eulRsLRCCnslcSmhDZ5IGtUReJJKQ58K9EFBsqXB0qrYoeKgYjva3SLX2HjrnymA8Vsa5/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJSON_Web_Token >> >> <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hzESW405S3yCRXd7jA4kv2viCea1tbFLtM_dzV8ACj7rulnm1shO0iZKtjnt0V-ay1gFCN6h_5Yui7KvNa3TyY6rtzF3CiZCH74ZoN6TGiub28r2ggAIrVVzg5lN8vQjDLNnTsgyMUAJpv7oNJDiWIeVC86tDLkghqJJpLfksGzuGiuN9_r2s91wD3z4hwM3XJZbcOBSbnkDotirYfeYP9P0YJptJfhQCdbXnuFzOsY6fs7bDan0qxm3Hrr9jZFkpbVV7_IwfosLzTEYi-U0eDyNqDZHcAj63Kj0DzFQKhyUYhM-tXlpFOCiOV3w6L2C8HxYXDX_EoO6dWm9Rt6lt7E17vgDcXvDpD3OJK_GoQbkPshy5jMemgopbW1eulRsLRCCnslcSmhDZ5IGtUReJJKQ58K9EFBsqXB0qrYoeKgYjva3SLX2HjrnymA8Vsa5/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJSON_Web_Token> >> which are used for authentication for web services. This is a huge upgrade >> on z/OSMF which uses a proprietary method based upon Websphere. >> Everybody writing clients for REST APIs understands JWTs. >> >>> Another couple of examples: "HTML5 enabled desktop". Does that mean code >>> that runs in a browser on my desktop? "WebSocket enabled APIs"? Same >>> question. >> >> HTLM5 is current standard for web browsers, so enough said. Web sockets are >> used to send data from a server to a client (usually a browser) over a >> stream. WebSockets server can send data, such as performance data, SMF etc >> to multiple clients without being polled. Huge performance benefits. >> >>> >>> I thought I grokked this one: "JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much >>> like a Finder or Explorer on Windows would work" until the next sentence: >>> "web interface that doesn’t require 3270 to submit, etc.". Again, does >>> that mean a separate program like Windows Explorer, or just a new browser >>> interface? >>> >>> It would help greatly if there was a video demonstration of these >>> capabilities. Did any of the Zowe presentations at SHARE include live >>> online demonstrations of already-available capabilities, and if so are >>> those video's available through SHARE or on the Zowe website? >>> >>> For the application programmer (not for the systems gurus who maintain the >>> environment) what is the experience intended to be? I'm not from anywhere >>> near Missouri, but I really need to be shown how what Zowe is touting could >>> help me in my everyday work. >>> >>> If I understand it, perhaps I can make a case to my management. But first >>> I have to understand it. >>> >>> Still somewhat confused . . . >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >>> Behalf Of Matt Hogstrom >>> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 6:16 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Zowe? >>> >>> Not to mention the difference between nappies and diapers. >>> >>> Zowe is an open source project created to host technologies that benefit >>> the Z platform from all members of the Z community (ISV’s and consumers). >>> The initial code base was seeded with technologies from CA Technologies, >>> IBM and Rocket. Each of us had developed capabilities that we wanted to >>> use to enhance the platform but proprietary products were not the way to >>> create an eco-system; creating proprietary products was just BAU. We >>> needed to see if such a community was viable and so each contributed a set >>> of technology and we worked through the legal issues of moving what was new >>> and some long-standing code to an EPL-2.0 license which allows anyone to >>> consume and use the code. The choice of three was more about being able to >>> manage the issues of community formation and not in any way to be >>> exclusive. Three was a lot of work and we now have a good framework >>> (legal, governance, hosting, etc.) to start with. >>> >>> A late addition by CA was the addition of the Mediation Layer which we are >>> using to federate a number of platform services. We have an advanced use >>> of JWT that allows for accessing multiple services only requiring a user to >>> sign-on once. This is ahead of platform goals of using JWT in the Security >>> Managers. Open source allows us to experiment and deliver capabilities >>> faster than traditional development methods and delivery streams on Z. >>> >>> The initial contributions were the CLI and some VS Code extensions from CA, >>> WebSocket enabled APIs from IBM and a HTML5 enabled desktop that allowed >>> for hosting multiple Angular applications. Consider these contributions to >>> be more of the framework for enabling access to Z on-top of which new >>> applications can be built. The applications that are provided as of now >>> and a few more candidates for 1.0 later this month are: >>> >>> CLI plugins (Console, TSO, file, JES interface, etc.) where developers that >>> are not accustomed to Z can interact using their shell of choice (we expect >>> most people to be some bash variant). This interface uses direct z/OSMF >>> APIs for these services. >>> >>> JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much like a Finder or Explorer on >>> Windows would work). Simple and familiar web interface that doesn’t >>> require 3270 to submit, retrieve check status on jobs, etc. >>> >>> MVS and USS explorer. Provides access for retrieving / sending files to >>> and from the z/OS system. Again, very Finder / Explorer like. A >>> significant advantage here is the applications run in an HTML 5 framework >>> and eliminate the maintenance of Java and other frameworks on desktops. >>> There are a number of customers that are looking to eliminate Desktop >>> dependencies around Java. >>> >>> Contextual Editor (allows for editing and updating with a context sensitive >>> editor that is extensible with a language server). >>> >>> TN3270 Emulator - fully functional 3270 emulator that runs in the desktop. >>> All models supported. No client install needed. >>> >>> Some applications that I’m working on are an IPL explorer that will >>> interrogate the systems in a Plex and navigate the rats nest of Parmiib >>> members. Doing this at night so going is a bit slow right now. >>> >>> Other products are using Zowe capabilities like the IBM Db2 Dev/Ops >>> experience as well as the OMEGAMON for Storage. Other products are coming >>> as well. >>> >>> The best way I have to describe Zowe is that its like Mac or Windows where >>> they come with a set of APIs and OS capabilities that applications build on >>> and include some applications out of the box like described above. >>> >>> The goal is to innovate faster, in the open under the oversight of a >>> community that vets the code, verifies its source and tests what is >>> delivered. >>> >>> Sorry for the long response to the WTF question but I think it was a fair >>> question that deserved a response. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >>> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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