my comment .. between lines below : ----- Original Message ----- From: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] Draft Constitution for a Society
> adding to Sayan's comments both in the post on the above subject & meeting > on the 28th, where do we stand now where do we stand ? .. we don't stand anywhere or on anything .. or FOR anything .. yet ! we're groping for a proper ground to stand on and the way the discussions are going .. we should be able to get a foothold on something or the other .. it will surely take some time and some more discussions though ! at meetings .. thru this list .. and informal discussions .. all will contribute let me make one thing clear though .. when history is being made, its seldom recognised as history being made .. it gets made nevertheless .. even if not realised ! > and what are the means of getting around > the issue ? this is one issue that we can't get around .. meaning by-passed .. it has to be calmly, coolly, intelligently and properly be dealt with .. we can't avoid it .. that's for sure ! > the aims+objectives of the "formal society" can't be different > from the LUG, this is very correct .. it's the ideal solution .. that the aims&objectives of the lug being the same as the 'formal' thing but that's where things remain similar .. the very nature of a lug and society make it different .. a society is a creature of legal standing .. a lug can enjoy the luxury of being free format to do anything in the present state of affairs of procedures, rules, regulations and law, again and again the absence of a 'formal' body will come in the way .. hence the need to formulate a formal body .. hence the need for a mature discussions .. so that a 'good' and 'lasting' constitution can be framed ! it not that we want it .. linux is not in tune with such things .. its that we have to have it .. disklike it or even hate it .. but a body has to be formed .. maybe in several years time frame .. maybe soon too .. its a sad state of affair .. bank accounts can't be opened by a free form lug .. money can't be handled .. payments can't be made .. a focus can't be had .. an address can't exist .. hence the need .. its not OUR need .. its needed by the other organisations, the banks, the muncipality (clearances are needed to participate in fairs, expos .. and free format forums can't apply for such things .. its a need, a compulsion .. certainly not a wish nor a preference .. me included .. i love free format things .. doesn't put ANY load on me too, remember ? > yet due to the non-legal locus standi of the UG, the charter > cannot make explicit references to the unwritten charter of the UG - so what > needs to be done now ? this again needs to be clearly understood .. the lug and the 'formal' body are by definition two different, albeit complementary things .. there is no dispute or contradiction..they just support one another .. sometimes appear to overlap too .. and surely MUST work in near perfect harmony .. a bit of cacophony notwithstanding .. happens all the time .. but we survive, even thrive .. so no need to be scared at all.. just need to handle things good and proper .. with lots of comments and criticisms accompanied by suggestions and proposals .. some will make it to the end .. some won't .. so what ! .. some of my proposals may even be shot down by no other than me myself ! .. if the final shape needs that deletion .. well, i'll have to do the deletion .. we're to think of the long term .. not for the narrow self thing ! > PKS - consitution and organisational aspects are ok, > but what are the legal inputs ? this is too easy to answer .. what we want .. only WE can decide .. what the law needs to be included .. ANY lawyer can tell us and do it too .. the imp thing is to start to want .. and put thoughts into words .. no one's going to get shot for THAT ! > more importantly can this be kept in > abeyance while the participation process is stressed upon more ? here again i'm forced to repeat .. we are NOT in a situation of the either/or kind .. both can and therefore should be pursued .. participation is primary .. and the formal body thing can only follow .. there's just no point in having an empty shell of a body just for the heck of it .. it only comes AFTER the participation .. and active .. rather very active participation of so many members my perception is that the participation has reached proper levels .. even surpassed the needed levels .. all we need now is to continue the momentum and even build upon it .. in so many ways .. this list, the meetings, by workshops (as suggested by some member ), seminars, expos and so on > IDG - comments ? and other senior, old, active and enlightened members too .. please do comment with suggestions .. not to just comment on others suggestions .. but also make original contributory comments and suggestions so that we can have some movement forward . ONE WORD of advice and ONE REQUEST too ! please .. nobody .. take this personally ! its our JOINT job and responsibility .. to see a proper thing happen .. the proper thing may even turn out to be that which already is .. to wait a bit more .. and do a good and right thing later .. than a rush rush job now and regret later a word to suggesting friends .. nope, i've not read the regn of societies act yet .. i'd like to have the wish list ready first and see the legal hurdles later .. but i'm sure that they can be overcome and managed .. its difficult but not impossible and certainly not taboo, or out of bounds of human endevour ..pk > regards > sankarshan > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 9/30/02 > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body > "unsubscribe ilug-cal" and an empty subject line. > FAQ: http://www.ilug-cal.org/help/faq_list.html > -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body "unsubscribe ilug-cal" and an empty subject line. 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