It's not trolling at all, particularly from a previous long time customer.
Personally, I have / had been with IpSwitch for years. Been on this group for years also - not as active as some, but always using the list / forums for support - Travis you never heard from me, but I found your post to be particularly helpful. At some point I bought an upgrade (i.e. SA)to version 8,9? But IpSwitch sat on my order for like 10 days and then would not honor the special upgrade purchase price (even though I had paid for the upgrade via credit card during the upgrade period) this is all documented on this list from about 2 years ago. After that mess, I noted others were jumping ship and so, I sat on my hands until this year when I just had to move to a more modern email system. So I tried SmarterMail - it's not perfect but it does seem to work well and is well (at least better) supported. It's was a tough call to move to a new email system and I am still going through some teething pains, but it is unlikely that I will be coming back to IpSwitch. I will be unsubscribing from this list eventually, the only reason I am responding tonight is that I am a little bored, and find it amazing that these support problems just keep on and on. I am about to evaluate SmarterTrack for a couple of my customers, but as yet have no experience with it. Steve Wheeler (Ex-IpSwitch Customer) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 This isn't directed at just Travis, so it's not that I'm singling you out. IMO, posting on the IMail board about moving to SmarterMail is a form of trolling. It is not helpful to the community as a whole to here things that are unconstructive and even destructive to the future of IMail. I'm no Ipswitch fanboy myself, and in the past they did plenty of harm to their reputation through their actions. Their product is generally very solid outside of webmail issues where they got caught up in the whole DHTML craze only to find browser compatibility was a huge PITA. Their biggest downfall was probably the price increase which followed trying to exit the market. Someone at one point over there clearly thought that they were going to compete with groupware, and they lost out on the hosting provider market in the process. From the customer perspective, they probably couldn't move fast enough back towards what some of us want or expect, but it's not like they aren't trying at all. I think that sort of dialog is helpful rather than being unconstructive or destructive. So if you moved on to SmarterMail, maybe consider unsubscribing from the list, or at least think twice about telling others to move when posting on this list. Matt Travis Rabe wrote: > Ya know I just did the SmarterTrack and love it. Do they support syncing to > Outlook? Shared contacts/calendars? > > Travis > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen T. Wheeler > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > Switch to Smarter Tools; that's what I did. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Richards > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > A discussion held earlier this year > > Boss: Whats this budget item from Ipswitch for $1000? > Me: Its our service agreement for the mail server that we pay each year. > Boss: Does it get us anything? > Me: It gets us updates to their software. > Boss: When was the last time we updated it? > Me: I think sometime in 2004. But we did download a patch in 2005! > Boss: "But it's 2008?" <insert puzzled look on face here> > Me: "Uhm... So how were the holidays with your family, sir?" > > Sorry for the Thursday fun. Anyway > > We, too, paid for the SA so that we could upgrade to 9. And like others, we > chose to stay with our current stable version (8.2x) because of what > happened with the release of 9. After almost 15 months of waiting, I > finally let our SA expire in March. We continue to run 8.2x but Im not > sure what we will do. As Bill stated, the SA to me is an insurance policy > that I carry on all of our critical services. > > With email being at the top of my companies lists of must haves, and the > fact that I let the SA expire, what does that tell you? > > Todd > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > Brad, > > Not sure if you were around but a lot of loyal customers made it very clear > and begged former management not do continue on their path to no avail. Many > just moved on and never looked back. I know I can speak for many imail > license holders in saying that we pretty much got screwed. Paying for an SA > made little to no sense and were not doing it. Build a product where all > the advertised features work correctly and people will feel better about > upgrading and paying for support. > > To me an SA should be an insurance policy not a requirement for software > that should work as advertised. Once people move to another piece of > software theyre pretty much never coming back. > > Bill > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Senter > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > Hey guys I appreciate your honesty and candor. Lets admit it: IMail made > some mistakes in the past. There were some significant issues with the > product that created some even more significant issues for the end user. We > took at hit for it as well. Since that time we have been working hard to > create a solid email server with as many competitive features as possible. > Development is not an exact science if it were then the market would > solely be driven by the person with the lowest overhead. Since it is not we > (along with every other software manufacturer) are consistently balancing > product development, bug fixes, and innovation. I am jumping in on this > thread to simply state that we are working hard to develop solid products, > maintain excellent customer satisfaction, and continue relationships with > customers that last a long, long time. There are no initiatives in place to > take advantage of our customers or to discount their end user experience. > We know that our success is completely contingent upon customer > satisfaction. Our entire team is dialed into that concept from > development, to support, to sales and marketing. Please accept our > apologies for any negative experience that you may have with our support > team. And know, that we are committed to walking alongside of you to ensure > that your IMail Server is running smoothly. > > Brad Senter > Product Marketing Manager > Ipswitch - Messaging Division > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > I was too but its obvious that a lot customers have left for safer waters. > Were a family owned hosting company and cannot afford the problems that > this software routinely comes with. I think ipswitch got too big to care > about its customers. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Rabe > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > Ya know Bill I used to be such a hard-line supporter (no jock strap jokes). > Of Ipswitch from version 4 on. Back then this community was very large, > active, lively and impressive. Over the years I have seen it wither away > and I have always told myself its them, not Ipswitch. But I tell ya, after > this last incident I am really starting to get fed up. Tech Support was > downright rude and offensive. You would think that somewhere in there > customer files they would see customer since Version 4 and realize that > hey, maybe this schmuck of a customer knows what hes talking about? But > nooooooooooo. And now that I have taken time out of my days to help locate > and replicate the problem I get the equivalent of the middle finger in the > tech support world. > > So now, I am wondering why I have been told to tell my users to (a) Not use > Outlook like they have been for 10+ years because Ipswitch cant figure out > that 0-0=0. The math they are using work out to be this: 0-0=9999. Now I > dont know about anyone else, but if 0-0=9999 then my wallet should be > EXPLODING WITH CASH. > > Update still no phone call from Tripp or Kevin. > > Travis > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > This is the main problem I have had with imail. The never ending upgrades > which cause further problems. Weve learned that its best to stay on > whatever version happens to work and not bother upgrading or paying for the > SA. What a waste of money that was since you have to pay for software that > gets re-broken each version. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Rabe > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IMail Forum] New Bugs in 10.01 > > Ipswitch, > > I have recently upgraded to 10.01 and now really regret > doing so. Version 10 was working great and I decided to upgrade to 10.01 > due to the fact that web enhancements/fixes had been made. After upgrading > to 10.01, the calendar web interface no longer works for many of my users > (the owners in particular). I reported the problem to Ipswitch and even > found for them how to replicate the bug (they insisted on some sort of > database corruption which was wrong). I figured this problem would be fixed > straight away I mean pretty serious when you just pay to upgrade to > Premium Unlimited and it was working in 10, breaks in 10.01. I have just > been informed that my case has been added to the database and that they > will deal with it in time. > > I have been on Imail since version 4. I have contemplated jumping ship, > as many others have since version 8/9 (laughable). Tech support was not > only flat out rude, but to be told that my problem will be added to the > database is pretty much as insulting as it gets. THIS IS SERIOUS. YOU > DONT JUST TELL YOUR USERS TO QUIT USING OUTLOOK THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN FOR > 10+ YEARS (the problem is with the syncing to WorkGroupShare). > > Also during the last week since installing 10.01 I have found a pretty > major bug that causes users who create rules in the web interface to start > deleting incoming mail in some cases. This seems like a big one too, but I > havent had a chance to report it yet but it would probably get added to > the database. The problem lies with the web interface handling special > characters. This worked in 10.0, fails in 10.01. > > I would appreciate a phone call from someone at Ipswitch (not my tech > support person not helpful). In the past I have spoken with Tripp and > Kevin but I am not sure if they are even around anymore. IN the past I have > even guinea pigged some patches for them and this is the thanks I get? My > Case Ref is: 821-70831. I will be waiting not patiently by the phone for > the next 1 ½ hours. > > Come on people! > > ----------------------------------------- > Vice President, Technology > The Davidson Group > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html > > > To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html > > To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html
