When we switched to AUTH, it took about a month to get all the P-O-ed people to get 
use to it and shut up. But we got ourselves off daily blacklists and that's what 
matters.

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: A. Clausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
        Sent: Wed 1/22/2003 6:33 PM 
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Cc: 
        Subject: Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Store and Forward
        
        

        We had about a thousand users, and after a number of complaints and my
        nightmares about blacklisting, we finally threw in the towel and went to
        SMTP Auth.  There were a few hickups, and one or two users still using
        ancient mail programs like Eudora 1.44 (if you can believe it) being told to
        upgrade, the whole thing was over in about a week.  Now, for fun, I watch as
        all the spammers try to use local addresses to relay spam and get rejected,
        and realize that for all that time we were open relays.
        
        --
        A. Clausen
        
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Andrey Fyodorov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 18:23
        Subject: RE: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Store and Forward
        
        
        > We got thousands, tens of thousands of users and forced them to
        authenticate. We could not afford being blacklisted.
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Roger Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
        > Sent: Tue 1/21/2003 9:07 PM
        > To: Andrey Fyodorov
        > Cc:
        > Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Store and Forward
        >
        >
        >
        > Reply to: Andrey Fyodorov
        >       Re: [IMail Forum] Store and Forward on Tuesday 6:59:33 PM
        >
        > Yes  I  know.  But  I  have  thousands of users who have not setup for
        > secure authentication using many different readers.
        >
        > No,  I  have been this way for six years and still am not listed as an
        > open  relay.  Like  I  said  earlier, library attacks here are cut off
        > almost  instantly  by BlackIce Server Protection and any one who tries
        > to  mass  mail  is trapped by Declude Hijack. Since any one can signup
        > for  a  free email account, they can instantly establish a relay here,
        > so  there  is  no real point to worrying about it. This is why we have
        > resorted to these other methods which are working just super.
        >
        > We  initially  used  EZSignUp,  but  this  was very bad. Now we have a
        > confirming  email response signup and we have not had any major abuser
        > since. This is a tightly monitored system and we are very pleased with
        > our current configuration.
        >
        > --
        > Roger Heath
        > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        > www.rleeheath.com
        >
        >
        > ----- Copy of Original Message(s): -----
        >
        > A> Don't  you  know  that in Imail "no mail relay" means it will relay
        > A> for those who authenticate?
        >
        > A> relay  for  local  users will get you blacklisted for being an open
        > A> relay in no time
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