What he is getting at is this:

If I went out and registered a domin, say blahblahblah.com and put in my
technical and admin contact info as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then
sent spam from blahblahblah.com (who would actually be hosted by another
isp, say mci) then why on earth would an sbl blacklist yahoo.com?  THAT
is what he is bringing up.  You nor I (usually) have 100% control over
domain registration and info that goes into them.  Why would that be an
SBL target?  I can see the IP block of MCI, or MCI overall if abuse@
didn't do their job... 


*************
Dave Heritage
dave at onx dot cc
************* 
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason @
AreaTech
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Blacklisted by SBL

Actually, you do.  If you are hosting a spammer's site, and they use
another method to transmit spam, YOU (as seen) can/will get blacklisted.
It's that simple.  It's like saying you are harboring terrorist training
camps, but they don't launch attacks from your soil, they walk to
another country and do it.  You are still going to be a target.

Sorry for all of the Terrorist references. :)


Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "i360, Inc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Blacklisted by SBL


> But that's my point.
>
> We do not give a safe haven as you describe it.
> We do not tolerate it but we do not control it.
>
> If they have a domain that they are hosting here, spam somewhere else
and
> use one of their accounts here as admin contact for the domain we have
no
> clue that they do and we cant stop them from doing so.
>
> If we terminate them as customers it will not change anything, the
record
is
> still the same email address unless they change it and we can't
control
that
> part.
>
> I find that unreasonable that we are being held responsible for
something
> out of our control without any warning even.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jason @ AreaTech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Blacklisted by SBL
>
>
> >I guess the moral of the story is that if you give safe haven to
terrorists
> > (spammers), you run the risk of being blacklisted.  I guess you have
a
> > choice to make.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "i360, Inc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:20 PM
> > Subject: [IMail Forum] Blacklisted by SBL
> >
> >
> > I find this to be a little crazy.
> >
> > We just got blacklisted by SBL because the email address for the
admin
> > contact for a spammer is hosted here.
> >
> > The domain is not hosted here,
> > They are not using our dns servers.
> > They are not using our mail server.
> > They are not using our network.
> > No spam came from here.
> >
> > The only connection to us is that the admin email is hosted here.
> >
> > We have no control over this but yet we got black listed.
> > Even if we terminate them as a client and they do not move their
domain
> > somewhere else we will still be punished for something we have no
control
> > over.
> >
> > I find this to be a little bit overzealous.
> >
> > Comments please..
> >
> > H
> >
> >
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