Dear Gurcharan ji, this is really confusing to the extreme level I am getting clueless .... If you get any more information please help me. regards tanay On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Tanay > Although it appears that the three are synonyms, things are not very clear. > Unfortunately Almeida & Patil, while giving this combination in JBNHS 93(1): > 111, 1996, failed to give basionym, and as such the combination can't be > considered as legitimate according to ICBN rules. The choice is between the > other two Hibiscus vitifolius and Fioria vitifolia, although when > recognising Fioria as a distinct genus Mattei again failed to give type of > the genus, essential under the rules. It is not a simple priority issue, but > a taxonomic decision whether you want to accept a broadly circumscribed > Hibiscus, or leave it as paraphyletic and create smaller genera like Fiori. > APG now advocates monophyletic taxa and as has been done by the abolition of > monocots as distinct group in all recent phylogenetic classifications. In > such cases it is safer to follow what has been done in the recent years. > > If look at Fioria vitifolia, it has been recognised by eFlora of Pakistan > (1979), USA (based on Loigier, H.A. 1994. Descriptive Flora of Puerto Rico > and Adjacent Islands. Spermatophyta. Vols. 1-5. Editorial de la > Universidad de Puerto Rico.), FloraBase: Western Australia (1996), Sivarajan > & Pradeep (Malvaceae of Southern Penninsular India, 1996), > > Those who include Fioria under Hibiscus include Eflora of China (1994), > GRIN (1985-verified, 2000 updated, ssp. lukei, 2003), African Plant Database > (updated 10-4-2010), ARS Database (1985, 2000) and several others. > > BUT THEN THERE IS A BIG CATCH. BOTH USDA DATABASE AND ITIS TREAT THEM AS > DISTINCT RECOGNISED TAXA, HIBISCUS VITIFOLIUS COMMONLY KNOWN AS TRPICAL ROSE > MALLOW AND PROVIDING PHOTOGRAPH FROM SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION AND FIORIA > VITIFOLIA AS TROPICAL FANLEAF WITH ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FROM SAME. PICK YOUR > CHOOSE AND GET MORE CONFUSED> > > > http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2 > > <http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2> > http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI > > > The matter remains still unresolved for me!!!!!!!! > <http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI> > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Rashida Ji, >> Dr. Almeida clearly states that *Hibiscus vitifolius* is a synonym of >> *Kosteletzkya >> vitifolia* (Writeup1.jpg). In eflora of Pakistan it has been stated that* >> Hibiscus vitifolius* is synonym of *Fioria vitifolia*. Then we can >> conclude that all this named are synonyms of each other resceptively. I >> searched a lot but could not find all this three names together in any >> website or literature ,always a permutation combination of two names can be >> found which is delimiting me from getting the recent valid name of the >> plant. Does anyone have any information regarding this, if yes kindly help >> to resolve the identification for this particular plant. >> Regards >> Tanay >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, rashida atthar < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Came across this very valuable and interesting information in Dr. >>> Almeida'a flora of Mah. vol I. Attaching scanned copies of description with >>> Dr. Almeida's explanations and a line drawing of K.vitifolia. Hope this >>> helps in resolving the ID and enhances the understanding of the nomenclature >>> of this species. >>> >>> regards, >>> Rashida. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:26:42 +0530 >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32691] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> >>> I will wait for other senior collegues to respond Dinesh ji .... I really >>> need to know the valid name of this plant quit interesting investigation is >>> going on thanks to Hemant Ji for pointing it out. >>> Tanay >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> Did notice that eflora webpage ... but did not feel satisfied with no >>> mention of Kosteletzkya vitifolia.... besides it classifies other names >>> among Lower Taxon and Related Synonym(s). >>> Regards. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> Dear Dinesh ji, >>> For your kind information I will like to bring it to your notice that >>> according to "E-Flora of Pakistan" the recent valid name is *Fioria >>> vitifolia* (Linn.) Mattei and *Hibiscus vitifolius* Linn. is regarded as >>> its synonym. Please check from the following link >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071289 >>> >>> Regards >>> Tanay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tanay Bose >>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up >>> now.<http://news.in.msn.com/moneyspecial/> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > > > > -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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