OHH SOORY THANKS TO SATISH jI TOOO TANAY On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote:
> THANK YOU THIS REALY MAKE ME FEEL THAT MY SPECULATION WAS CORRECT ..... > THANKS VIJAYASANKAR JI . > TANAY > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Hemanth <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thank you sir. >> >> That gives me some clear picture… >> >> I was waiting for your reply. >> >> >> >> -- >> Hemant G. Tripathi >> >> >> >> *From:* Gurcharan Singh [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:58 PM >> *To:* tanay bose >> *Cc:* rashida atthar; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:32760] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 >> >> >> >> If you look plants depicted at USDA Database the plant of Hibiscus >> vitifolius has much deeper and narrower lobes of leaf, whereas those of >> Fioria vitifolia much shallower and broader. If the two are distinct, then >> our plant fits more with Fioria vitifolia. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Gurcharan ji, >> >> this is really confusing to the extreme level I am getting clueless .... >> If you get any more information please help me. >> >> regards >> >> tanay >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Tanay >> >> Although it appears that the three are synonyms, things are not very >> clear. Unfortunately Almeida & Patil, while giving this combination in JBNHS >> 93(1): 111, 1996, failed to give basionym, and as such the combination can't >> be considered as legitimate according to ICBN rules. The choice is between >> the other two Hibiscus vitifolius and Fioria vitifolia, although when >> recognising Fioria as a distinct genus Mattei again failed to give type of >> the genus, essential under the rules. It is not a simple priority issue, but >> a taxonomic decision whether you want to accept a broadly circumscribed >> Hibiscus, or leave it as paraphyletic and create smaller genera like Fiori. >> APG now advocates monophyletic taxa and as has been done by the abolition of >> monocots as distinct group in all recent phylogenetic classifications. In >> such cases it is safer to follow what has been done in the recent years. >> >> >> >> If look at Fioria vitifolia, it has been recognised by eFlora of Pakistan >> (1979), USA (based on Loigier, H.A. 1994. *Descriptive Flora of Puerto >> Rico and Adjacent Islands. Spermatophyta. Vols. 1-5*. Editorial de la >> Universidad de Puerto Rico.), FloraBase: Western Australia (1996), Sivarajan >> & Pradeep (Malvaceae of Southern Penninsular India, 1996), >> >> >> >> Those who include Fioria under Hibiscus include Eflora of China (1994), >> GRIN (1985-verified, 2000 updated, ssp. lukei, 2003), African Plant Database >> (updated 10-4-2010), ARS Database (1985, 2000) and several others. >> >> >> >> BUT THEN THERE IS A BIG CATCH. BOTH USDA DATABASE AND ITIS TREAT THEM AS >> DISTINCT RECOGNISED TAXA, HIBISCUS VITIFOLIUS COMMONLY KNOWN AS TRPICAL ROSE >> MALLOW AND PROVIDING PHOTOGRAPH FROM SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION AND FIORIA >> VITIFOLIA AS TROPICAL FANLEAF WITH ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FROM SAME. PICK YOUR >> CHOOSE AND GET MORE CONFUSED> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2 >> >> >> >> http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI >> >> >> >> >> >> The matter remains still unresolved for me!!!!!!!! >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Rashida Ji, >> >> Dr. Almeida clearly states that *Hibiscus vitifolius* is a synonym of >> *Kosteletzkya >> vitifolia* (Writeup1.jpg). In eflora of Pakistan it has been stated that* >> **Hibiscus vitifolius* is synonym of *Fioria vitifolia*. Then we can >> conclude that all this named are synonyms of each other resceptively. I >> searched a lot but could not find all this three names together in any >> website or literature ,always a permutation combination of two names can be >> found which is delimiting me from getting the recent valid name of the >> plant. Does anyone have any information regarding this, if yes kindly help >> to resolve the identification for this particular plant. >> >> Regards >> >> Tanay >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, rashida atthar < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Came across this very valuable and interesting information in Dr. >> Almeida'a flora of Mah. vol I. Attaching scanned copies of description with >> Dr. Almeida's explanations and a line drawing of K.vitifolia. Hope this >> helps in resolving the ID and enhances the understanding of the nomenclature >> of this species. >> >> regards, >> Rashida. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:26:42 +0530 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32691] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> >> I will wait for other senior collegues to respond Dinesh ji .... I really >> need to know the valid name of this plant quit interesting investigation is >> going on thanks to Hemant Ji for pointing it out. >> >> Tanay >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Did notice that eflora webpage ... but did not feel satisfied with no >> mention of Kosteletzkya vitifolia.... besides it classifies other names >> among Lower Taxon and Related Synonym(s). >> Regards. >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Dinesh ji, >> >> For your kind information I will like to bring it to your notice that >> according to "E-Flora of Pakistan" the recent valid name is *Fioria >> vitifolia* (Linn.) Mattei and *Hibiscus vitifolius* Linn. is regarded as >> its synonym. Please check from the following link >> >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071289 >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Tanay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]>. >> >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up >> now.<http://news.in.msn.com/moneyspecial/> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2820 - Release Date: 04/19/10 >> 12:01:00 >> > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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