Yes sir right u r the plant posted by Muthu has much broader leaves .. then can i go with Fioria vitifolia? Regards Tanay
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > If you look plants depicted at USDA Database the plant of Hibiscus > vitifolius has much deeper and narrower lobes of leaf, whereas those of > Fioria vitifolia much shallower and broader. If the two are distinct, then > our plant fits more with Fioria vitifolia. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Dear Gurcharan ji, >> this is really confusing to the extreme level I am getting clueless .... >> If you get any more information please help me. >> regards >> tanay >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear Tanay >>> Although it appears that the three are synonyms, things are not very >>> clear. Unfortunately Almeida & Patil, while giving this combination in JBNHS >>> 93(1): 111, 1996, failed to give basionym, and as such the combination can't >>> be considered as legitimate according to ICBN rules. The choice is between >>> the other two Hibiscus vitifolius and Fioria vitifolia, although when >>> recognising Fioria as a distinct genus Mattei again failed to give type of >>> the genus, essential under the rules. It is not a simple priority issue, but >>> a taxonomic decision whether you want to accept a broadly circumscribed >>> Hibiscus, or leave it as paraphyletic and create smaller genera like Fiori. >>> APG now advocates monophyletic taxa and as has been done by the abolition of >>> monocots as distinct group in all recent phylogenetic classifications. In >>> such cases it is safer to follow what has been done in the recent years. >>> >>> If look at Fioria vitifolia, it has been recognised by eFlora of Pakistan >>> (1979), USA (based on Loigier, H.A. 1994. Descriptive Flora of Puerto >>> Rico and Adjacent Islands. Spermatophyta. Vols. 1-5. Editorial de la >>> Universidad de Puerto Rico.), FloraBase: Western Australia (1996), Sivarajan >>> & Pradeep (Malvaceae of Southern Penninsular India, 1996), >>> >>> Those who include Fioria under Hibiscus include Eflora of China (1994), >>> GRIN (1985-verified, 2000 updated, ssp. lukei, 2003), African Plant Database >>> (updated 10-4-2010), ARS Database (1985, 2000) and several others. >>> >>> BUT THEN THERE IS A BIG CATCH. BOTH USDA DATABASE AND ITIS TREAT THEM AS >>> DISTINCT RECOGNISED TAXA, HIBISCUS VITIFOLIUS COMMONLY KNOWN AS TRPICAL ROSE >>> MALLOW AND PROVIDING PHOTOGRAPH FROM SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION AND FIORIA >>> VITIFOLIA AS TROPICAL FANLEAF WITH ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FROM SAME. PICK YOUR >>> CHOOSE AND GET MORE CONFUSED> >>> >>> >>> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2 >>> >>> <http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2> >>> http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI >>> >>> >>> The matter remains still unresolved for me!!!!!!!! >>> <http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Rashida Ji, >>>> Dr. Almeida clearly states that *Hibiscus vitifolius* is a synonym of >>>> *Kosteletzkya >>>> vitifolia* (Writeup1.jpg). In eflora of Pakistan it has been stated >>>> that* Hibiscus vitifolius* is synonym of *Fioria vitifolia*. Then >>>> we can conclude that all this named are synonyms of each other >>>> resceptively. I searched a lot but could not find all this three names >>>> together in any website or literature ,always a permutation combination of >>>> two names can be found which is delimiting me from getting the recent valid >>>> name of the plant. Does anyone have any information regarding this, if yes >>>> kindly help to resolve the identification for this particular plant. >>>> Regards >>>> Tanay >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, rashida atthar < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Came across this very valuable and interesting information in Dr. >>>>> Almeida'a flora of Mah. vol I. Attaching scanned copies of description >>>>> with >>>>> Dr. Almeida's explanations and a line drawing of K.vitifolia. Hope this >>>>> helps in resolving the ID and enhances the understanding of the >>>>> nomenclature >>>>> of this species. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Rashida. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:26:42 +0530 >>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32691] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> I will wait for other senior collegues to respond Dinesh ji .... I >>>>> really need to know the valid name of this plant quit interesting >>>>> investigation is going on thanks to Hemant Ji for pointing it out. >>>>> Tanay >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Did notice that eflora webpage ... but did not feel satisfied with no >>>>> mention of Kosteletzkya vitifolia.... besides it classifies other names >>>>> among Lower Taxon and Related Synonym(s). >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Dinesh ji, >>>>> For your kind information I will like to bring it to your notice that >>>>> according to "E-Flora of Pakistan" the recent valid name is *Fioria >>>>> vitifolia* (Linn.) Mattei and *Hibiscus vitifolius* Linn. is regarded >>>>> as its synonym. Please check from the following link >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071289 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tanay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tanay Bose >>>>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up >>>>> now.<http://news.in.msn.com/moneyspecial/> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tanay Bose >>>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> > > > -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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