Thank you sir. That gives me some clear picture.
I was waiting for your reply. -- Hemant G. Tripathi From: Gurcharan Singh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:58 PM To: tanay bose Cc: rashida atthar; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32760] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 If you look plants depicted at USDA Database the plant of Hibiscus vitifolius has much deeper and narrower lobes of leaf, whereas those of Fioria vitifolia much shallower and broader. If the two are distinct, then our plant fits more with Fioria vitifolia. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Gurcharan ji, this is really confusing to the extreme level I am getting clueless .... If you get any more information please help me. regards tanay On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Tanay Although it appears that the three are synonyms, things are not very clear. Unfortunately Almeida & Patil, while giving this combination in JBNHS 93(1): 111, 1996, failed to give basionym, and as such the combination can't be considered as legitimate according to ICBN rules. The choice is between the other two Hibiscus vitifolius and Fioria vitifolia, although when recognising Fioria as a distinct genus Mattei again failed to give type of the genus, essential under the rules. It is not a simple priority issue, but a taxonomic decision whether you want to accept a broadly circumscribed Hibiscus, or leave it as paraphyletic and create smaller genera like Fiori. APG now advocates monophyletic taxa and as has been done by the abolition of monocots as distinct group in all recent phylogenetic classifications. In such cases it is safer to follow what has been done in the recent years. If look at Fioria vitifolia, it has been recognised by eFlora of Pakistan (1979), USA (based on Loigier, H.A. 1994. Descriptive Flora of Puerto Rico and Adjacent Islands. Spermatophyta. Vols. 1-5. Editorial de la Universidad de Puerto Rico.), FloraBase: Western Australia (1996), Sivarajan & Pradeep (Malvaceae of Southern Penninsular India, 1996), Those who include Fioria under Hibiscus include Eflora of China (1994), GRIN (1985-verified, 2000 updated, ssp. lukei, 2003), African Plant Database (updated 10-4-2010), ARS Database (1985, 2000) and several others. BUT THEN THERE IS A BIG CATCH. BOTH USDA DATABASE AND ITIS TREAT THEM AS DISTINCT RECOGNISED TAXA, HIBISCUS VITIFOLIUS COMMONLY KNOWN AS TRPICAL ROSE MALLOW AND PROVIDING PHOTOGRAPH FROM SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION AND FIORIA VITIFOLIA AS TROPICAL FANLEAF WITH ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FROM SAME. PICK YOUR CHOOSE AND GET MORE CONFUSED> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2 http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI The matter remains still unresolved for me!!!!!!!! -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Rashida Ji, Dr. Almeida clearly states that Hibiscus vitifolius is a synonym of Kosteletzkya vitifolia (Writeup1.jpg). In eflora of Pakistan it has been stated that Hibiscus vitifolius is synonym of Fioria vitifolia. Then we can conclude that all this named are synonyms of each other resceptively. I searched a lot but could not find all this three names together in any website or literature ,always a permutation combination of two names can be found which is delimiting me from getting the recent valid name of the plant. Does anyone have any information regarding this, if yes kindly help to resolve the identification for this particular plant. Regards Tanay On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, rashida atthar <[email protected]> wrote: Came across this very valuable and interesting information in Dr. Almeida'a flora of Mah. vol I. Attaching scanned copies of description with Dr. Almeida's explanations and a line drawing of K.vitifolia. Hope this helps in resolving the ID and enhances the understanding of the nomenclature of this species. regards, Rashida. _____ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:26:42 +0530 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32691] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] I will wait for other senior collegues to respond Dinesh ji .... I really need to know the valid name of this plant quit interesting investigation is going on thanks to Hemant Ji for pointing it out. Tanay On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: Did notice that eflora webpage ... but did not feel satisfied with no mention of Kosteletzkya vitifolia.... besides it classifies other names among Lower Taxon and Related Synonym(s). Regards. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Dinesh ji, For your kind information I will like to bring it to your notice that according to "E-Flora of Pakistan" the recent valid name is Fioria vitifolia (Linn.) Mattei and Hibiscus vitifolius Linn. is regarded as its synonym. Please check from the following link <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071289> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071289 Regards Tanay -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:indiantreepix%[email protected]> . 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