THANK YOU THIS REALY MAKE ME FEEL THAT MY SPECULATION WAS CORRECT ..... THANKS VIJAYASANKAR JI . TANAY
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Hemanth <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you sir. > > That gives me some clear picture… > > I was waiting for your reply. > > > > -- > Hemant G. Tripathi > > > > *From:* Gurcharan Singh [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:58 PM > *To:* tanay bose > *Cc:* rashida atthar; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:32760] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 > > > > If you look plants depicted at USDA Database the plant of Hibiscus > vitifolius has much deeper and narrower lobes of leaf, whereas those of > Fioria vitifolia much shallower and broader. If the two are distinct, then > our plant fits more with Fioria vitifolia. > > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Gurcharan ji, > > this is really confusing to the extreme level I am getting clueless .... If > you get any more information please help me. > > regards > > tanay > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Tanay > > Although it appears that the three are synonyms, things are not very clear. > Unfortunately Almeida & Patil, while giving this combination in JBNHS 93(1): > 111, 1996, failed to give basionym, and as such the combination can't be > considered as legitimate according to ICBN rules. The choice is between the > other two Hibiscus vitifolius and Fioria vitifolia, although when > recognising Fioria as a distinct genus Mattei again failed to give type of > the genus, essential under the rules. It is not a simple priority issue, but > a taxonomic decision whether you want to accept a broadly circumscribed > Hibiscus, or leave it as paraphyletic and create smaller genera like Fiori. > APG now advocates monophyletic taxa and as has been done by the abolition of > monocots as distinct group in all recent phylogenetic classifications. In > such cases it is safer to follow what has been done in the recent years. > > > > If look at Fioria vitifolia, it has been recognised by eFlora of Pakistan > (1979), USA (based on Loigier, H.A. 1994. *Descriptive Flora of Puerto > Rico and Adjacent Islands. Spermatophyta. Vols. 1-5*. Editorial de la > Universidad de Puerto Rico.), FloraBase: Western Australia (1996), Sivarajan > & Pradeep (Malvaceae of Southern Penninsular India, 1996), > > > > Those who include Fioria under Hibiscus include Eflora of China (1994), > GRIN (1985-verified, 2000 updated, ssp. lukei, 2003), African Plant Database > (updated 10-4-2010), ARS Database (1985, 2000) and several others. > > > > BUT THEN THERE IS A BIG CATCH. BOTH USDA DATABASE AND ITIS TREAT THEM AS > DISTINCT RECOGNISED TAXA, HIBISCUS VITIFOLIUS COMMONLY KNOWN AS TRPICAL ROSE > MALLOW AND PROVIDING PHOTOGRAPH FROM SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION AND FIORIA > VITIFOLIA AS TROPICAL FANLEAF WITH ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FROM SAME. PICK YOUR > CHOOSE AND GET MORE CONFUSED> > > > > > > http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=FIVI2 > > > > http://www.plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI > > > > > > The matter remains still unresolved for me!!!!!!!! > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Rashida Ji, > > Dr. Almeida clearly states that *Hibiscus vitifolius* is a synonym of > *Kosteletzkya > vitifolia* (Writeup1.jpg). In eflora of Pakistan it has been stated that* > **Hibiscus vitifolius* is synonym of *Fioria vitifolia*. Then we can > conclude that all this named are synonyms of each other resceptively. I > searched a lot but could not find all this three names together in any > website or literature ,always a permutation combination of two names can be > found which is delimiting me from getting the recent valid name of the > plant. Does anyone have any information regarding this, if yes kindly help > to resolve the identification for this particular plant. > > Regards > > Tanay > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, rashida atthar <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Came across this very valuable and interesting information in Dr. Almeida'a > flora of Mah. vol I. Attaching scanned copies of description with Dr. > Almeida's explanations and a line drawing of K.vitifolia. Hope this helps in > resolving the ID and enhances the understanding of the nomenclature of this > species. > > regards, > Rashida. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:26:42 +0530 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32691] Re: Malvaceae for id 170410MK1 > > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > > I will wait for other senior collegues to respond Dinesh ji .... I really > need to know the valid name of this plant quit interesting investigation is > going on thanks to Hemant Ji for pointing it out. > > Tanay > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Did notice that eflora webpage ... but did not feel satisfied with no > mention of Kosteletzkya vitifolia.... besides it classifies other names > among Lower Taxon and Related Synonym(s). > Regards. > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Dinesh ji, > > For your kind information I will like to bring it to your notice that > according to "E-Flora of Pakistan" the recent valid name is *Fioria > vitifolia* (Linn.) Mattei and *Hibiscus vitifolius* Linn. is regarded as > its synonym. Please check from the following link > > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071289 > > > > Regards > > Tanay > > > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]>. > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > ------------------------------ > > Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up > now.<http://news.in.msn.com/moneyspecial/> > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2820 - Release Date: 04/19/10 > 12:01:00 > -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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