Yes, Garg ji Sir Henry Collett in Flora Simlensis considered C. cana and C. pallida as same and had put them under C. colorata. It means, even he was not able to differentiate between them.
Regards On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 8:33 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > We should take all our posts as pallida, until somebody can prove that > both are different in view of wide ranging confusions in different floras. > > On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 7:56 PM Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Then all my posts are C. pallida ! >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 7:40 PM, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, Garg ji >>> >>> On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 7:12 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Anil ji, >>>> If we follow this key, all our posted plants are of Campanula pallida. >>>> >>>> On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 6:30 PM Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Key from FLORA OF CHAMBA >>>>> >>>>> 1. Annual; flowers sessile, 0.4-0.8 cm long; calyx-lobes 1-4 mm long >>>>> ................. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Erect, leaves subacute, calyx-lobes 1.5- 4 mm long ..............C. >>>>> dimorphantha (mentioned as syn. C. benthamii ) >>>>> >>>>> 2. Decumbent, leaves obtuse, calyx-lobes 1 mm long .................. >>>>> C. cana >>>>> >>>>> 1. Perrenial; flowers pedicelled, 0.7-1.3 cm long; calyx-lobes 4.5-8 >>>>> mm long >>>>> ............................................................................................... >>>>> C. pallida >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Calyx-lobes in my samples are 7-8 mm long thus pointing towards >>>>> Campanula pallida. Flower colour in C. pallida is mentioned as >>>>> blur-purple adding to the confusion. Secondly, plants were small >>>>> hardly 15 cm and ascending and not erect as reported for C. pallida. >>>>> >>>>> I believe now that my plant is C. pallida and not C. cana where >>>>> flowers are sessile, calyx-lobes 1 mm long, corolla 6-8 mm long and >>>>> leaves hardy 1 cm in length. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/22/18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Thanks, Anil ji. >>>>> > I will follow Flora simlensis in this matter after seeing details >>>>> closely >>>>> > of all posts in efi, till some one comes up with clear differences >>>>> between >>>>> > the two. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 5:58 PM Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Respected Garg Ji >>>>> >> >>>>> >> As desired by you, I am posting the details of all the species of >>>>> >> Campanula found in H.P. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> FLORA OF HIMACHAL PRADESH (Vol. 2) by H.J. Chowdhery & B.M. Wadhwa, >>>>> 1984 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1. Campanula alsinoides Hook. F. & Thomson (Chamba and Kinnaur) >>>>> >> 2. Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. (from Shimla and >>>>> Lahul & >>>>> >> Spiti) >>>>> >> 3. Campanula aristata Wall. (Chamba and L&S) >>>>> >> 4. Campanula cana Wall. (Shimla and Kinnaur) >>>>> >> 5. Campanula cashmeriana Royle (Chamba and L&S) >>>>> >> 6. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. >>>>> (Chamba, >>>>> >> Kangra, Kinnaur, Kullu, L&S, Shimla, Solan, Una i.e. from hills as >>>>> >> well as plains) >>>>> >> 7. Campanula latifolia L. (Shimla, Chamba, Kinnaur ans L&S) >>>>> >> 8. Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu (Shimla and Kinnaur) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> FLORA SIMLENSIS by Sir Henry Collett, 1902 >>>>> >> 1. Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. >>>>> >> 2. Campanula colorata Wall. (now Campanula pallida Wall.) and >>>>> also >>>>> >> included Campanula cana Wall. under this. >>>>> >> 3. Campanula latifolia L. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> FLORA OF BASHAHR (includes parts of Shimla and Kinnaur) by N.C. >>>>> Nair, >>>>> >> 1977 >>>>> >> 1. Campanula alsinoides Hook. F. & Thomson >>>>> >> 2. Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. >>>>> >> 3. Campanula cana Wall. >>>>> >> 4. Campanula cashmeriana Royle >>>>> >> 5. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. and >>>>> >> Campanula >>>>> >> ramulosa Wall. >>>>> >> 6. Campanula latifolia L. (Shimla, Chamba, Kinnaur ans L&S) >>>>> >> 7. Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu (Shimla and Kinnaur) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> FLORA OF SIRMAUR (Himachal Pradesh) by Harsimerjit Kaur & M. >>>>> Sharma, >>>>> >> 2004 >>>>> >> 1. Campanula dimorphantha Schweinf. mentioned syn. Campanula >>>>> >> benthamii >>>>> >> Wall. ex Kitam. >>>>> >> 2. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> FLORA OF CHAMBA DISTRICT (Himachal Pradesh) by Harinder Singh & M. >>>>> >> Sharma, 2006 >>>>> >> 1. Campanula cana Wall. >>>>> >> 2. Campanula dimorphantha Schweinf. mentioned syn. Campanula >>>>> >> benthamii >>>>> >> Wall. ex Kitam. >>>>> >> 3. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> FLORA OF CHAMBA DISTRICT (Himachal Pradesh) by Harinder Singh & M. >>>>> >> Sharma, 2006 >>>>> >> 1. Campanula cashmeriana Royle >>>>> >> 2. Campanula dimorphantha Schweinf. mentioned syn. Campanula >>>>> >> benthamii >>>>> >> Wall. ex Kitam. >>>>> >> 3. Campanula pallida Wall. mentioned as syn. Campanula colorata >>>>> >> Wall. >>>>> >> 4. Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> REGARDS >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 4/21/18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> > Thanks, Anil ji. >>>>> >> > After going through all the posts in efi, I find them very >>>>> difficult to >>>>> >> > segregate. Keys in Flora of China >>>>> >> > < >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=105395> are >>>>> >> > also very confusing and there is no doubt that both are very >>>>> close. >>>>> >> > *It will not be a bad idea to follow Flora Simlensis for the time >>>>> >> > being.* >>>>> >> > May I request you to pl. post full botanical names with citations >>>>> as >>>>> >> > mentioned in Flora Simlensis. >>>>> >> > I think Tabish ji will also agree for this. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On 21 April 2018 at 08:40, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >>>>> >> [email protected]> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> Thank you, Garg ji >>>>> >> >> Even I have some doubts regarding it's identity. >>>>> >> >> Flora Simlensis mentioned Campanula pallida (as syn. C. >>>>> colorata) and >>>>> >> >> included C. canescens and C. cana under this. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Plants I clicked were only 15cm in height and procumbent and not >>>>> erect >>>>> >> as >>>>> >> >> for C. palida. There is another species- C. argyrotricha >>>>> mentioned in >>>>> >> >> Flora >>>>> >> >> Simlensis but with bluish flowers . >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Regards >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Fri 20 Apr, 2018, 12:32 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> I think this may be Campanula pallida >>>>> >> >>> < >>>>> >> >>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/c/campanulaceae/campanula/campanula-pallida >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> as >>>>> >> >>> per images and keys at Flora of China >>>>> >> >>> < >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=105395> >>>>> >> >>> (Hypanthium >>>>> >> >>> obconic or campanulate, hispid; calyx lobes deltoid, narrowly >>>>> >> >>> triangular, >>>>> >> >>> or subulate, 2-8 mm, abaxially hispid (sometimes only along >>>>> veins), >>>>> >> >>> margin >>>>> >> >>> entire or rarely serrulate as per details at *C. pallida* >>>>> >> >>> < >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242421018 >>>>> >> >) >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> >> >>> From: Anil Thakur <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> Date: 27 June 2016 at 23:32 >>>>> >> >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:245795] Campanula cana ATJUNE2016/25 >>>>> >> >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Campanula cana >>>>> >> >>> Shimla >>>>> >> >>> March/April >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> With best Regards, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> >> >>> Groups >>>>> >> >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>> it, >>>>> >> >>> send >>>>> >> >>> an >>>>> >> >>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> >> >>> To post to this group, send an email to >>>>> >> >>> [email protected] >>>>> >> . >>>>> >> >>> Visit this group at >>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> With regards, >>>>> >> >>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> >> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> >> >>> < >>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>> Indian >>>>> >> >>> Flora, >>>>> >> >>> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> >> >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> >>>>> (largest in >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> >>> world- around 2975 members & 2,90,000 messages on 31.3.18) or >>>>> >> >>> Efloraofindia >>>>> >> >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> >> >>> species >>>>> >> >>> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images). >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> >> >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>> than a >>>>> >> >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>> >> >>> Plants >>>>> >> >>> etc. >>>>> >> >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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