Should I go through Campanula species at efloraofindia?? Regards
On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 8:38 PM Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes, Garg ji > Sir Henry Collett in Flora Simlensis considered C. cana and C. pallida as > same and had put them under C. colorata. > It means, even he was not able to differentiate between them. > > Regards > > On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 8:33 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We should take all our posts as pallida, until somebody can prove that >> both are different in view of wide ranging confusions in different floras. >> >> On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 7:56 PM Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Then all my posts are C. pallida ! >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 7:40 PM, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Garg ji >>>> >>>> On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 7:12 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Anil ji, >>>>> If we follow this key, all our posted plants are of Campanula pallida. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 6:30 PM Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Key from FLORA OF CHAMBA >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Annual; flowers sessile, 0.4-0.8 cm long; calyx-lobes 1-4 mm long >>>>>> ................. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Erect, leaves subacute, calyx-lobes 1.5- 4 mm long ..............C. >>>>>> dimorphantha (mentioned as syn. C. benthamii ) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Decumbent, leaves obtuse, calyx-lobes 1 mm long .................. >>>>>> C. cana >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Perrenial; flowers pedicelled, 0.7-1.3 cm long; calyx-lobes 4.5-8 >>>>>> mm long >>>>>> ............................................................................................... >>>>>> C. pallida >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Calyx-lobes in my samples are 7-8 mm long thus pointing towards >>>>>> Campanula pallida. Flower colour in C. pallida is mentioned as >>>>>> blur-purple adding to the confusion. Secondly, plants were small >>>>>> hardly 15 cm and ascending and not erect as reported for C. pallida. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe now that my plant is C. pallida and not C. cana where >>>>>> flowers are sessile, calyx-lobes 1 mm long, corolla 6-8 mm long and >>>>>> leaves hardy 1 cm in length. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/22/18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Thanks, Anil ji. >>>>>> > I will follow Flora simlensis in this matter after seeing details >>>>>> closely >>>>>> > of all posts in efi, till some one comes up with clear differences >>>>>> between >>>>>> > the two. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sun 22 Apr, 2018, 5:58 PM Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>>>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Respected Garg Ji >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> As desired by you, I am posting the details of all the species of >>>>>> >> Campanula found in H.P. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FLORA OF HIMACHAL PRADESH (Vol. 2) by H.J. Chowdhery & B.M. >>>>>> Wadhwa, 1984 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 1. Campanula alsinoides Hook. F. & Thomson (Chamba and >>>>>> Kinnaur) >>>>>> >> 2. Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. (from Shimla and >>>>>> Lahul & >>>>>> >> Spiti) >>>>>> >> 3. Campanula aristata Wall. (Chamba and L&S) >>>>>> >> 4. Campanula cana Wall. (Shimla and Kinnaur) >>>>>> >> 5. Campanula cashmeriana Royle (Chamba and L&S) >>>>>> >> 6. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. >>>>>> (Chamba, >>>>>> >> Kangra, Kinnaur, Kullu, L&S, Shimla, Solan, Una i.e. from hills as >>>>>> >> well as plains) >>>>>> >> 7. Campanula latifolia L. (Shimla, Chamba, Kinnaur ans L&S) >>>>>> >> 8. Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu (Shimla and Kinnaur) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FLORA SIMLENSIS by Sir Henry Collett, 1902 >>>>>> >> 1. Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. >>>>>> >> 2. Campanula colorata Wall. (now Campanula pallida Wall.) and >>>>>> also >>>>>> >> included Campanula cana Wall. under this. >>>>>> >> 3. Campanula latifolia L. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FLORA OF BASHAHR (includes parts of Shimla and Kinnaur) by N.C. >>>>>> Nair, >>>>>> >> 1977 >>>>>> >> 1. Campanula alsinoides Hook. F. & Thomson >>>>>> >> 2. Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. >>>>>> >> 3. Campanula cana Wall. >>>>>> >> 4. Campanula cashmeriana Royle >>>>>> >> 5. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. and >>>>>> >> Campanula >>>>>> >> ramulosa Wall. >>>>>> >> 6. Campanula latifolia L. (Shimla, Chamba, Kinnaur ans L&S) >>>>>> >> 7. Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu (Shimla and Kinnaur) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FLORA OF SIRMAUR (Himachal Pradesh) by Harsimerjit Kaur & M. >>>>>> Sharma, >>>>>> >> 2004 >>>>>> >> 1. Campanula dimorphantha Schweinf. mentioned syn. Campanula >>>>>> >> benthamii >>>>>> >> Wall. ex Kitam. >>>>>> >> 2. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FLORA OF CHAMBA DISTRICT (Himachal Pradesh) by Harinder Singh & M. >>>>>> >> Sharma, 2006 >>>>>> >> 1. Campanula cana Wall. >>>>>> >> 2. Campanula dimorphantha Schweinf. mentioned syn. Campanula >>>>>> >> benthamii >>>>>> >> Wall. ex Kitam. >>>>>> >> 3. Campanula pallida Wall. Syn. Campanula colorata Wall. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FLORA OF CHAMBA DISTRICT (Himachal Pradesh) by Harinder Singh & M. >>>>>> >> Sharma, 2006 >>>>>> >> 1. Campanula cashmeriana Royle >>>>>> >> 2. Campanula dimorphantha Schweinf. mentioned syn. Campanula >>>>>> >> benthamii >>>>>> >> Wall. ex Kitam. >>>>>> >> 3. Campanula pallida Wall. mentioned as syn. Campanula >>>>>> colorata >>>>>> >> Wall. >>>>>> >> 4. Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> REGARDS >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 4/21/18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> > Thanks, Anil ji. >>>>>> >> > After going through all the posts in efi, I find them very >>>>>> difficult to >>>>>> >> > segregate. Keys in Flora of China >>>>>> >> > < >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=105395> >>>>>> are >>>>>> >> > also very confusing and there is no doubt that both are very >>>>>> close. >>>>>> >> > *It will not be a bad idea to follow Flora Simlensis for the time >>>>>> >> > being.* >>>>>> >> > May I request you to pl. post full botanical names with >>>>>> citations as >>>>>> >> > mentioned in Flora Simlensis. >>>>>> >> > I think Tabish ji will also agree for this. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On 21 April 2018 at 08:40, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >>>>>> >> [email protected]> >>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >> Thank you, Garg ji >>>>>> >> >> Even I have some doubts regarding it's identity. >>>>>> >> >> Flora Simlensis mentioned Campanula pallida (as syn. C. >>>>>> colorata) and >>>>>> >> >> included C. canescens and C. cana under this. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Plants I clicked were only 15cm in height and procumbent and >>>>>> not erect >>>>>> >> as >>>>>> >> >> for C. palida. There is another species- C. argyrotricha >>>>>> mentioned in >>>>>> >> >> Flora >>>>>> >> >> Simlensis but with bluish flowers . >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Regards >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> On Fri 20 Apr, 2018, 12:32 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >>> I think this may be Campanula pallida >>>>>> >> >>> < >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/c/campanulaceae/campanula/campanula-pallida >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>> as >>>>>> >> >>> per images and keys at Flora of China >>>>>> >> >>> < >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=105395> >>>>>> >> >>> (Hypanthium >>>>>> >> >>> obconic or campanulate, hispid; calyx lobes deltoid, narrowly >>>>>> >> >>> triangular, >>>>>> >> >>> or subulate, 2-8 mm, abaxially hispid (sometimes only along >>>>>> veins), >>>>>> >> >>> margin >>>>>> >> >>> entire or rarely serrulate as per details at *C. pallida* >>>>>> >> >>> < >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242421018 >>>>>> >> >) >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> >> >>> From: Anil Thakur <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>> Date: 27 June 2016 at 23:32 >>>>>> >> >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:245795] Campanula cana ATJUNE2016/25 >>>>>> >> >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Campanula cana >>>>>> >> >>> Shimla >>>>>> >> >>> March/April >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> With best Regards, >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >> >>> Groups >>>>>> >> >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>> it, >>>>>> >> >>> send >>>>>> >> >>> an >>>>>> >> >>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >> >>> To post to this group, send an email to >>>>>> >> >>> [email protected] >>>>>> >> . >>>>>> >> >>> Visit this group at >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> With regards, >>>>>> >> >>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> >> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> >> >>> < >>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>> Indian >>>>>> >> >>> Flora, >>>>>> >> >>> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> >> >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> >>>>>> (largest in >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> >>> world- around 2975 members & 2,90,000 messages on 31.3.18) or >>>>>> >> >>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> >> >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> >> >>> species >>>>>> >> >>> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images). >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> >> >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>> than a >>>>>> >> >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>> >> >>> Plants >>>>>> >> >>> etc. >>>>>> >> >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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