On 17/01/2015 10:09, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
>> FYI, there's an RFC explaining all this already: 3819
>
> PILC is indeed a fundamental reference, and I cite it whenever possible.
Indeed. I taught a module on this topic some years ago and the PILC work
was really all I needed then. The draft in question would do well to cite
the PILC work, but I think it's timely to revisit the topic and see
what guidelines would be useful for today's work. It does seem like
an Intarea WG topic.
Brian
>
> Thanks - Fred
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Touch [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:58 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian E Carpenter; Alexandru Petrescu; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Int-area] About draft-baccelli-manet-multihop-communication-04
>>
>> FYI, there's an RFC explaining all this already: 3819
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 1/16/2015 12:04 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>>> +1
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian E
>>>> Carpenter
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:16 AM
>>>> To: Alexandru Petrescu; [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Int-area] About
>>>> draft-baccelli-manet-multihop-communication-04
>>>>
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>>> but to improve the layers below IP such as to have IP run unmodified.
>>>>
>>>> In the general case that is impossible, because the SDO that develops
>>>> the lower layer isn't interested. If the lower layer is intrinsically
>>>> NBMA then for sure ARP or ND+DAD will not work as designed. If the lower
>>>> layer doesn't support a physical MTU of at least 1280 IPv6 will not work
>>>> as designed. So in the general case both an adaptation layer and an
>>>> NBMA solution are required. And as you know, there are other "Ethernet"
>>>> assumptions that don't apply in a low-power wireless scenario.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the goal is "IP over Everything" but that isn't the same as
>>>> "Everything must be like Ethernet", which you seem to imply.
>>>>
>>>> In fact when you read draft-baccelli-manet-multihop-communication
>>>> (and imagine what its security section will say when it's been
>>>> written), I think the conclusion is that a great many things have
>>>> to change, not in the IP packet format, but in the ecosystem
>>>> currently provided by ARP/DHCP or RA/ND/DAD/SLAAC/DHCPv6.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
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