Bhutta Sb.,
This is what I am saying.
The PTCL offer was conditional with rates of software houses to go up which
was not possible and DG Finance knew about it. Furthermore he is/was not the
authority to decide.
So please do not make such statements which create confusions about others.
Regards
----- Original Message -----
From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> Mr.Nadeem Syed,
> AoA,
> All my statement are correct. Ch.Shah Muhmmad DG Finance PTCL told that
if
> we not give @ US$.6000/- to Software houses then we can give to ISP for
ten
> thousand. But you know what game was played at your office and you helped
me
> . Let the people know facts.
> Bhutta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
>
>
> >
> > Bhutta Sb.,
> >
> > It is shocking to read your accusations (point 1 & 2)
> >
> > Do not misrepresent. Your statement that PTCL was ready to bring down
the
> > rates to $ 10,000/- is not correct as you are presenting. This was an
> > informal statement by one of PTCL official that the rates can be brought
> to
> > $ 10 K for ISPs if the minister takes back his rates announced for
> Software.
> > Do you think that the minister would have taken back his decision. PTCL
> > tried to use you against the minister as well as Computer Society of
> > Pakistan and you played in their hands doubting even your own friends.
The
> > participants in the meeting were are learned and could judge the
situation
> > better.
> >
> > You are making a serious accusation, challenging the integrity, showing
> the
> > mistrust on the participants of the meeting. Remember unless you have
> > learned colleagues from ISPAK, you alone are not able to present the
cases
> > in a professional manner. All the successes were not because of you but
> > because of collective effort.
> >
> > I could never think that you will come to this level. I had lot of
respect
> > for you but you are losing it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> >
> >
> > > 1. Every body knows who are playing politics. Who created rift
on
> > the
> > > issue of price of b/w 6000 and 15000. in the meeting at Super.net
> > Islamabad.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2.. A group played the role to forced ISPAK to accept US$.15000/-
> while
> > > PTCL was willing to sell at US$.10,000/- to ISPs in the open meeting.
> > > US$.5000/- per 2MB per month will be paid extra to PTCL by ISPs and
also
> > > loose customers who will get @ US$.6000/- due to some members who
forced
> > us
> > > to accept this tariff to save some one in ministry. Rift started from
> that
> > > day. Who is responsible for this huge loos to ISPs.?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3.. There is no restriction to be member of ISPAK if some one
fulfils
> > the
> > > conditions agreed from first day of formation of ISPAK.
> > >
> > >
> > > 4.. Every body know there is an " ISPAK", a representative body of
> > > ISPs/DNOPs.
> > >
> > >
> > > 5.. There are no obstacles to be member of ISPAK.
> > >
> > >
> > > 6.. We are inviting continually to all ISP/DNOPs to join ISPAK. The
> > > registration form is available on WEB of ISPAK.
> > >
> > >
> > > 7.. What was the purpose of un-official meetings?
> > > 8.. Who created the term of North and South while we all were
jointly
> > and
> > > smoothly working?
> > >
> > >
> > > 9.. Who formed parallel body of ISPAK who announced that he is
> president
> > > for next term without approval of General House?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 10.. An understanding was agreed with me on 17th May, in Islamabad
at
> > > World Telecom Day, for election. Who betrayed?
> > >
> > >
> > > 11.. Who preached to PTCL and PTA that there is no ISPAK and
Mr.Bhutta
> > has
> > > been removed from President ship.
> > >
> > >
> > > 12.. Who threaten me to capture the office and forced me to resign
> from
> > > President ship.
> > >
> > >
> > > 13.. I would not like to discuss the issue of royalty time will
> decide
> > > who was right and who was wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > > 14.. Please think impatiently then you will realise who are playing
> > > politic and who is playing in their hands ? Many other points can be
put
> > for
> > > your consideration.
> > >
> > >
> > > 15.. Best regards.
> > > Bhutta
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Asif Luqman Qazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Azfar
Manzoor"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "H.K.Pasha"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > >
> > >
> > > > Who is playing politics, the ones who want to include
> > > > all ISPs in ISPAK or the ones who want to manipulate?
> > > > ISPs are ready to pay more than Rs 10,000 but they
> > > > will pay it to the representative body. Do we want to
> > > > move ahead and invite people to join or do we want to
> > > > create obstacles?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Asif
> > > >
> > > > --- sbhutta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > > > >
> > > > > AoA,
> > > > >
> > > > > I received mails from Mr.Asif Luqman Qazi Sahib,
> > > > > Mr.Azfar Manzoor Sahib and Mr.Ateeq Khan .
> > > > >
> > > > > My simple reply is that a meeting of paid members
> > > > > will be held on 10th July, 2001 at ISPAK office the
> > > > > notice of this meeting was issued well in time and
> > > > > last date for renewal of memberships was fixed 30th
> > > > > June, 2001.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no differences of opinion on these dues
> > > > > Registration and annual subscription.Rs.5000/- one
> > > > > time and Rs.5000/- annually
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr.Qazi is requested to get renewal to attend this
> > > > > meeting to raise his points in the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > No doubt ISPAK is body of ISPs and paid members from
> > > > > ISPs will run this organization. Body is elected and
> > > > > you also represented as member of EC. I would not
> > > > > like to discuss the status of participants of
> > > > > meeting in Islamabad and Lahore.
> > > > >
> > > > > The meeting of 10th July will decide the election
> > > > > issue forever. Body has been registered and now we
> > > > > have an un-changeable procedure for election and all
> > > > > other issues. Account are being maintained properly
> > > > > and audit report will be available for paid members
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr.Ateeq Khan suggested for extending renewal date
> > > > > upto 5th July 2001. It will be considered in meeting
> > > > > of 1oth. Mr.Azfar Manzoor is informed that Mr.Pasha
> > > > > has already done which he has proposed regarding
> > > > > meeting in Lahore I agree but paid members would be
> > > > > allowed to join meeting of ISPAK. The status of the
> > > > > participants should be defined.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The mails of all above three honourable members will
> > > > > be put before the house of 10th July.
> > > > >
> > > > > I again would like to inform all of you that since
> > > > > long we were sending invoices and e-mail to all ISPs
> > > > > for membership for many time but we have very poor
> > > > > response. There should be some difference between
> > > > > paid and non-paid members.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It was decided that Rs.10/- per port would be
> > > > > deposited in ISPAK account. Only three or four
> > > > > provided the information regarding their ports and
> > > > > rest kept silent but took part in discussion and
> > > > > kept send hard words to us.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please be realist and do no do politics from this
> > > > > forum.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sanaullah Bhutta.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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