Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING

[sbhutta]

Dear Qazi Sahib, AoA, Mr.Ahmad Nadeem Syed. Mr.Malik Muhmmad Khan and Mr.Imran Akhtar Shah has recommended to have general body  meeting in Lahore. I agree with proposal of Mr.Imran Akhtar Shah that members from Islamabad should join Lahore meeting.   I appreciate to Mr.Nasir Qureshi of Netasia who paid renewal fee since three years although he is a small ISP. He also contributed his abilities for ISPAK I am thankful to him.    There are many ISP who are taking part in the activities of ISPAK and are using this forum and mailing list since long but nothing paying or paid after two years.   Mr.Imran Shah tried his best to raise the funds for ISPAK but he realised that  most members are non cooperative.   Let it be decided that only paid member should take part in ISPAK and now get ride from free loader.   Already very small amount was fixed for membership and renewal in our first meeting in Islamabad. If some one is not ready to pay membership then why he desires to set in the meeting or enjoy mailing list .    If you agree I would suggest that fee should be charged from the date of operation.   It is against the justice that some  are paying  from first day and some desire to take part at last movement.   Please let me know the date for Lahore meeting. According to the rules more than 21 days notice should given for general house. I will call meeting on that date which will be convenient to you . May I suggest we should consult Mr.Naeem Haq for this date. He is a most important paid member.   Make sure I will try my best to keep you with us . My previous record shows that all your proposals and suggestions were honoured but I am enable  to understand the present situation.   Kindly fix last date of membership.   Date of meeting  in Lahore  members from Islamabad should join this meeting               .....................   Propose date of election...............   MOST IMPORTANT. Only paid member will be allowed to attend meeting and cost vote.   Best regards, Sanaullah Bhutta.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Asif Luqman Qazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > Bhutta Sb, > > Don't create new controversies and misunderstandings. > For the sake of unity of ISPAK, let us convene General > Body meetings in all the three cities and decide with > consensus. You must announce the schedule of meetings > at Lahore and Islamabad as well. Payment should be a > condition for voting and not for attending the > meeting. > > If you still insist on excluding genuine ISPs from > ISPAK, let me make it clear that we will not let five, > six people to over-rule the opinion of majority. In > that case we will proceed with elections and the > meeting on July 10 will be null and void. We already > have the mandate of majority to do so but we > restrained action for the sake of unity of ISPAK.  > > We look forward to receive a reasonable response > today. In case of failure we will announce the > election schedule tomorrow. > > Regards, > Asif Luqman Qazi > > > > --- sbhutta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But we were blocked to protest against this move. > > Bhutta > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:24 AM > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > > > > > > > Bhutta Sb., > > > > > > This is what I am saying. > > > > > > The PTCL offer was conditional with rates of > > software houses to go up > > which > > > was not possible and DG Finance knew about it. > > Furthermore he is/was not > > the > > > authority to decide. > > > > > > So please do not make such statements which create > > confusions about > > others. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > > > > > > > > > > Mr.Nadeem Syed, > > > > AoA, > > > > All my statement are correct. Ch.Shah Muhmmad > > DG Finance PTCL told that > > > if > > > > we not give @ US$.6000/- to Software houses then > > we can give to ISP for > > > ten > > > > thousand. But you know what game was played at > > your office and you > > helped > > > me > > > > . Let the people know facts. > > > > Bhutta > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:11 AM > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhutta Sb., > > > > > > > > > > It is shocking to read your accusations (point > > 1 & 2) > > > > > > > > > > Do not misrepresent. Your statement that PTCL > > was ready to bring down > > > the > > > > > rates to $ 10,000/- is not correct as you are > > presenting. This was an > > > > > informal statement by one of PTCL official > > that the rates can be > > brought > > > > to > > > > > $ 10 K for ISPs if the minister takes back his > > rates announced for > > > > Software. > > > > > Do you think that the minister would have > > taken back his decision. > > PTCL > > > > > tried to use you against the minister as well > > as Computer Society of > > > > > Pakistan and you played in their hands > > doubting even your own friends. > > > The > > > > > participants in the meeting were are learned > > and could judge the > > > situation > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > You are making a serious accusation, > > challenging the integrity, > > showing > > > > the > > > > > mistrust on the participants of the meeting. > > Remember unless you have > > > > > learned colleagues from ISPAK, you alone are > > not able to present the > > > cases > > > > > in a professional manner. All the successes > > were not because of you > > but > > > > > because of collective effort. > > > > > > > > > > I could never think that you will come to this > > level. I had lot of > > > respect > > > > > for you but you are losing it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Ahmad Nadeem Syed > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Azfar Manzoor" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > > "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "H.K.Pasha" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:38 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.      Every body knows who are playing > > politics. Who created > > rift > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > issue of price of b/w 6000 and 15000. in the > > meeting at Super.net > > > > > Islamabad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   2.. A group played the role to forced > > ISPAK to accept US$.15000/- > > > > while > > > > > > PTCL was willing to sell at US$.10,000/- to > > ISPs in the open > > meeting. > > > > > > US$.5000/- per 2MB per month will be paid > > extra to PTCL by ISPs and > > > also > > > > > > loose customers who will get @ US$.6000/- > > due to some members who > > > forced > > > > > us > > > > > > to accept this tariff to save some one in > > ministry. Rift started > > from > > > > that > > > > > > day. Who is responsible for this huge loos > > to ISPs.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   3.. There is no restriction to be member > > of ISPAK if some one > > > fulfils > > > > > the > > > > > > conditions agreed from first day of > > formation of ISPAK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   4.. Every body know there is an " ISPAK", > > a representative body of > > > > > > ISPs/DNOPs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   5.. There are no obstacles to be member of > > ISPAK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   6.. We are inviting continually to all > > ISP/DNOPs to join ISPAK. > > The > > > > > > registration form is available on WEB of > > ISPAK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   7.. What was the purpose of un-official > > meetings? > > > > > >   8.. Who created the term of North and > > South while we all were > > > jointly > > > > > and > > > > > > smoothly working? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   9.. Who formed parallel body of ISPAK who > > announced that he is > > > > president > > > > > > for next term without approval of General > > House? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------- ISPAK -------------------------- > ISPAK  Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives. > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk ----------------------- >