Heh, I see, sorry :). I've found that if you add up all the memory usage of apache processes, and compare it to a Tomcat instance, often Tomcat comes out on top, sometimes by a long way.
To say that Java is bloated is to fundamentally mis-understand Java IMHO. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Christian Catchpole<[email protected]> wrote: > > this was kind of my point, even if I didn't articulate it properly. > the criticisms of java are superficial. if they had to write a > serious enterprise application they may start to understand the > difference. > > saying "hello world" uses 30 megs of memory is not fair. > > and saying "java apps are bloated" doesn't mean that you can write > something optimized in a scripting language and magically overcome > some of it's inherent problems. > > in my discussion i was also saying, "think JVM", don't get hung up on > "java". > > On Jul 25, 3:57 pm, Alex Turner <[email protected]> wrote: >> You seriously have to be joking. I haven't met one single 'PHP >> programmer' who had a clue about anything seriously computer science >> who uses PHP as their primary platform in five years. I've >> interviewed dozens of people for PHP programming positions, and >> precious few could tell me the difference between a hash and a tree, >> or what a left outer join was. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Christian >> >> >> >> Catchpole<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Poor Dick. I find that just about everyone says something I disagree >> > with every time they open their mouths. :) >> >> > But it's an interesting discussion. I was talking with some friends >> > who are in the PHP kind of space. I was explaining how Java has >> > probably the most advanced JIT ever and was explaining why it's so >> > freekin' fast these days. This didn't seem to matter to them. Hello >> > world still used 30 meg to start. And the criticism was that people >> > generally write crap Java apps. >> >> > We can't forget that many people experience java command on the >> > console and large memory footprint (larger than what they expect for >> > the app in question), applets and slow (historically) Swing interfaces >> > that look weird. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
