this was kind of my point, even if I didn't articulate it properly. the criticisms of java are superficial. if they had to write a serious enterprise application they may start to understand the difference.
saying "hello world" uses 30 megs of memory is not fair. and saying "java apps are bloated" doesn't mean that you can write something optimized in a scripting language and magically overcome some of it's inherent problems. in my discussion i was also saying, "think JVM", don't get hung up on "java". On Jul 25, 3:57 pm, Alex Turner <[email protected]> wrote: > You seriously have to be joking. I haven't met one single 'PHP > programmer' who had a clue about anything seriously computer science > who uses PHP as their primary platform in five years. I've > interviewed dozens of people for PHP programming positions, and > precious few could tell me the difference between a hash and a tree, > or what a left outer join was. > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Christian > > > > Catchpole<[email protected]> wrote: > > > Poor Dick. I find that just about everyone says something I disagree > > with every time they open their mouths. :) > > > But it's an interesting discussion. I was talking with some friends > > who are in the PHP kind of space. I was explaining how Java has > > probably the most advanced JIT ever and was explaining why it's so > > freekin' fast these days. This didn't seem to matter to them. Hello > > world still used 30 meg to start. And the criticism was that people > > generally write crap Java apps. > > > We can't forget that many people experience java command on the > > console and large memory footprint (larger than what they expect for > > the app in question), applets and slow (historically) Swing interfaces > > that look weird. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
