On 13 May 2011 16:41, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote: > Well the title of the thread is "Is Apple is winning the PC war?" so I > wasn't thinking servers, embedded, etc. > > But I suppose Apple has a shot at winning the next round of the PC war > again if you include tablets. Apple has a huge tablet lead right > now..... >
That's kind of the point. If you class tablets as PCs then you're already being flexible with your definitions. Such subjectivity presents an opportunity for bias, and undermines the original claim. > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > On 13 May 2011 16:06, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Depends on your definition of "winning." As an investor, Apple is > >> winning. Market share wise, Windows won long ago. I don't know why a > >> consumer or business looking at buying a PC would care about profits > >> though... only as much as they don't want to buy a machine from a > >> company that might die. > >> > > > > You also have to consider *which* market before you can quote share > figures. > > I don't see so many people running web server farms or HPC clusters > using > > Apple hardware. Or washing machine microcontrollers, or dedicated SatNav > > systems, or engine management, all of these things are computers too. > > By all means, take a split of all things that use processors if you want, > > such that your definition includes tablets but not mobiles and laptops > but > > not not mainframes, and then claim that Apple is doing well in that > > "market". > > You can do this if you wish, but don't pretend that your definition of > > market is anything but arbitrary, and seemingly chosen in Apple's favour. > > > > > >> > >> 2011/5/12 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]>: > >> > I find this pretty typical in discussions involving Apple. Whenever > the > >> > exchanges start discussing numbers, Apple enthusiasts tend to quickly > >> > dig in > >> > with a "I don't care, Apple makes tons of money which means they're > >> > great". > >> > -- > >> > Cédric > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Alexey Zinger <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I'm not taking this little tangent too seriously, but it does seem > that > >> >> these which-tech-is-superior discussions inevitably seem to gravitate > >> >> to an > >> >> eventual statement about which company makes more money. This is the > >> >> part I > >> >> don't get. What does market capitalization and how good a company is > >> >> doing > >> >> overall have to do with merits of a technology or how good a deal it > >> >> might > >> >> be to consumers? > >> >> > >> >> Alexey > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> From: work only <[email protected]> > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:33:26 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Is Apple is winning the PC war? > >> >> > >> >> All I know is that the Java Posse forum hates Apple > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> But Apple is 3rd biggest company in the world and 2nd in the US and > if > >> >> they only have 10% of the market then they have so much more money to > >> >> make > >> >> :) should buy more stock :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Josh Berry <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Chiming in to agree with Cédric. Though, I will say I think I have > a > >> >>> slightly different view. I will grant that Apple is likely doing > >> >>> better in every way than any single PC maker. I wouldn't even be > >> >>> shocked if they are competing on volume with the best of them. What > I > >> >>> don't think is that they are beating them all combined. Which is > >> >>> something they have to do because of their unique position of being > >> >>> the only game in town with regards to what they sell. > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >>> Groups > >> >>> "The Java Posse" group. > >> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >>> [email protected]. > >> >>> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "The Java Posse" group. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> [email protected]. > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "The Java Posse" group. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> [email protected]. > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "The Java Posse" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > [email protected]. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "The Java Posse" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Kevin Wright > > > > gtalk / msn : [email protected] > > mail: [email protected] > > vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright > > quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright > > twitter: @thecoda > > > > "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not > > regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current > > conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side > of > > the ledger" ~ Dijkstra > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Kevin Wright gtalk / msn : [email protected] <[email protected]>mail: [email protected] vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright twitter: @thecoda "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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