>
> Lets get something working and then see how we can evolve it to fill gaps.
>
Well I can see the headlines now if you release with that in mind
"Jenkins, marketed as the leading CI/CD software, no longer supports
JUnit the tool used in 99.9% of all development" <snip>out of the box
</snip> <- cos you know journalists like to make good headlines
So the solution doesn't need to be big flashy or even polished, but it
needs to provide these users a way to get a system into a state that is no
worse than what they would have today (and ideally it should be in a better
state) - and it IMO needs to be there at the same time that the new plugin
startup wizard thing lands.
On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 10:22:48 PM UTC+1, Tom Fennelly wrote:
>
> It's been a while since I installed eclipse simply because I hated it and
> moved away from it. My experience of the litany of download options was the
> same as Mic's i.e. pissed off after wasting 30 mins waiting on the wrong
> download to complete.
>
> I think we could engineer multiple options for this and they'd all be
> wrong for a %age of cases, so arguing one set of %ages over another is just
> moving the problem somewhere else and seems like a waste of time to me.
>
> What's the easiest option to get started on that works for a high %age of
> people? Lets get something working and then see how we can evolve it to
> fill gaps.
>
> On 1 September 2015 at 21:48, Michael Neale <[email protected]
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> I agree, I always dreaded going to eclipse.org and worrying I have just
>> downloaded 300Meg of the wrong thing.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM Baptiste Mathus <[email protected]
>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2015-09-01 20:08 GMT+02:00 Jesse Glick <[email protected]
>>> <javascript:>>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, James Nord <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>> > Eclipse.org
>>>> > provides "distributions" you can get the basic IDE and add the
>>>> plugins you
>>>> > want - or you can get the Java version, or the J2EE version, or the
>>>> PHP
>>>> > version...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, actually Eclipse is somehow backing away a bit from that model. I
>>> think that indeed prepackaged versions leads to big complexity and user
>>> frustration since not a lot of people will actually find the exact things
>>> you need.
>>>
>>> And technically: downloading + installing additional things may not be
>>> as-well tested and multiply combinatorials. Hence writing a /wizard/
>>> (called oomph in Eclipse [1]) that works is currently a ongoing work (and
>>> is already working but still needs battle testing I guess).
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/installer.php
>>> -- Baptiste
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