Yes the unbundling if things sounds doors sound like a painful idea, but that brings us back to the problem of a consensus of what is bundled.
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 7:04 am James Nord <[email protected]> wrote: > Lets get something working and then see how we can evolve it to fill gaps. >> > > Well I can see the headlines now if you release with that in mind > "Jenkins, marketed as the leading CI/CD software, no longer supports > JUnit the tool used in 99.9% of all development" <snip>out of the box > </snip> <- cos you know journalists like to make good headlines > > So the solution doesn't need to be big flashy or even polished, but it > needs to provide these users a way to get a system into a state that is no > worse than what they would have today (and ideally it should be in a better > state) - and it IMO needs to be there at the same time that the new plugin > startup wizard thing lands. > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 10:22:48 PM UTC+1, Tom Fennelly wrote: > >> It's been a while since I installed eclipse simply because I hated it and >> moved away from it. My experience of the litany of download options was the >> same as Mic's i.e. pissed off after wasting 30 mins waiting on the wrong >> download to complete. >> >> I think we could engineer multiple options for this and they'd all be >> wrong for a %age of cases, so arguing one set of %ages over another is just >> moving the problem somewhere else and seems like a waste of time to me. >> >> What's the easiest option to get started on that works for a high %age of >> people? Lets get something working and then see how we can evolve it to >> fill gaps. >> > On 1 September 2015 at 21:48, Michael Neale <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I agree, I always dreaded going to eclipse.org and worrying I have just >>> downloaded 300Meg of the wrong thing. >>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM Baptiste Mathus <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> 2015-09-01 20:08 GMT+02:00 Jesse Glick <[email protected]>: >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, James Nord <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Eclipse.org >>>>> > provides "distributions" you can get the basic IDE and add the >>>>> plugins you >>>>> > want - or you can get the Java version, or the J2EE version, or the >>>>> PHP >>>>> > version... >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well, actually Eclipse is somehow backing away a bit from that model. I >>>> think that indeed prepackaged versions leads to big complexity and user >>>> frustration since not a lot of people will actually find the exact things >>>> you need. >>>> >>>> And technically: downloading + installing additional things may not be >>>> as-well tested and multiply combinatorials. 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