El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 20:41:52, Bruno Coudoin va escriure: > Le 30/12/2014 19:52, Albert Astals Cid a écrit : > > El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 19:29:47, Bruno Coudoin va escriure: > >> Le 30/12/2014 18:49, Albert Astals Cid a écrit : > >>> El Dilluns, 22 de desembre de 2014, a les 21:00:25, Mario Fux va escriure: > >>>> Good morning dear KDE people > >>>> > >>>> After KDE's first fundraiser (crowdfunding attempt) in 2012 [1] we had > >>>> (or > >>>> it's still ongoing) six more this year: > >>>> - For the Randa Meetings 2014 [2] > >>>> - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development [3] > >>>> - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! [4] > >>>> - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising [5] > >>>> - New Unified Graphics for GCompris [6] > >>>> - Kommander [8] > >>>> > >>>> Money is not an easy topic > >>>> but avoiding it doesn't solve the problems. And if people don't know > >>>> about > >>>> certain things like that they should coordinate with KDE e.V. in the > >>>> case > >>>> of money they won't. So it's on us to tell the community and tell new > >>>> members of the community. > >>> > >>> This is an interesting topic too and i wanted to bring it up for some > >>> time. > >>> > >>> I'd say the type of fundraiser can be split into two types: > >>> * KDE generic > >>> > >>> - For the Randa Meetings 2014 > >>> - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising > >>> > >>> * Project specific > >>> > >>> - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development > >>> [3] > >>> - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! [4] > >>> - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising > >>> [5] > >>> - New Unified Graphics for GCompris [6] > >>> - Kommander [8] > >>> > >>> I'm all for specific projects doing fundraisers for their own things > >>> (though as said in the previous email i'd like some more coordination > >>> happening), don't think i'm not. > >>> > >>> But, > >>> > >>> Sometimes that projects that have had project specific fundraisers > >>> request > >>> funds from the KDE eV to run a sprint. > >>> > >>> KDE eV funds are not unlimited, so for me sometimes it seems that those > >>> projects are being a bit unfair to the rest by running their own > >>> fundraisers and then also asking for money from the common pot. > >>> > >>> What would people think if for those projects that have run "big" > >>> fundraisers (we don't want to put off people that did a 100€ fundraiser) > >>> the KDE eV would only sponsor part of a sprint and the rest of the money > >>> should come from the money they raised independently? > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> My feeling is that projects begging for money > > > > I'd suggest you don't use "begging for money", it doesn't have a good > > sound ;) > True, bad wordings. > > >> one way or another are > >> either the most active or have a good plan for it. > > > > I don't understand what you mean with this sentence to be honest. > > I just mean to say that requesting money is a sign that the project is > alive. > > >> The rule you propose would 'punish' at KDE eV level these projects which > >> may be the best candidate for the requested fund. > > > > I don't think It would punish anyone, it think it makes money distribution > > fairer. > > Sure the discussion is to find the best way to share a scarce resource, > money. My point was that having independent funds or not may not be the > best criteria. Sure we have to take this in account so the whole > discussion is more about by how much to value this criteria in the > decision process. > > >> What concerns me is that some projects by their nature may be easier to > >> fund independently. Other low level project with deep or hidden code > >> which are of major importance for the KDE infrastructure are > >> disadvantaged. > >> > >> Why don't we give KDE eV funds by comparing what the requester want to > >> do with the money and what is the added value to KDE as a whole. > > > > Because as i said, the world has a limited amount of money and so does the > > KDE eV. > > > > When project X asks money for itself instead of asking money for KDE eV, > > it's probable that if person Y donates, then person Y may not donate to > > general KDE eV fund raisers since he'll think (i already donated) so > > project X gets a donation and not the KDE eV. > > Well, you are assuming that people willing to help KDE are the same as > the one helping a specific project. This is not necessary true, in the > case of GCompris the audience goes beyond KDE, I can't measure it but > for sure some money we got on our graphic fund raising does not comes > from our KDE supporters.
How can the audience go beyond KDE if GCompris is just a subset of KDE? Cheers, Albert > > Bruno. > > _______________________________________________ > kde-community mailing list > kde-community@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
