> I had a good feeling you were an end user

and your point is?

> your average end user does not have the same capacity and do it yourself
> telephony knowledge to install there own system the way you did.
> You must be so proud.....I almost commend you for it....

proud of it?  hardly worth the acknowledgement.  I built an ISP and I can
assure you that installing and configuring the little pana was trivial
compared to all the Ascend, Cisco, Computone, Astrocom, Mulitech gear we
have.  

oh yeah, I have a masters in software engineering

> but do you think that you're paying your consultants and "certified"
> engineers just enough or too much.

What I pay them is probably too little -- give a man a fish and he eats
for a day, teach a man to fish and he can eat all his life.

> Your expression of consultants and "certified" engineers is a little
> vague If you wanted an IP system to perform connectivity between your
> multi-office locations your consultants and "certified" engineers
> could of put that scenario to work about three years ago, instead you
> purchased a KXTD off the net.....you must of been on a string budget
> back then. If you have the money now go for it

Your inferences are really amusing.  Actually we've had our KXTD for over
five years

and if I really wanted to shoe-horn in some inter-office VoIP stuff I
could have done it myself -- its not rocket science

the primary reason we bought the pana was this mailing list !

but pana has fallen behind the curve, and this "us-vs-them" attitude is
just the ill smell of something rotten forming

sure there has always been a tension of "certified -vs- DIY" -- in EVERY
INDUSTRY

but I can assure you that a business model not based on servicing clients
is not sustainable -- like most computer hardware and the margins that
follow -- the hardware is disposable

If you can a build a fiefdom in your market, then go for it.

-d

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