Hi,

Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to
come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own
personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring
consensus to close the project in the PCP page.

Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can
formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few
questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal).
Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was
rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.

Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this
committee.

Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.

Regards, M.

2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_ste...@sil.org>:

> Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for
> closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
>
> Fwiw,
> Oliver
>
> On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
>
> If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and
> no one opposed. Thanks, M.
>
> El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
> escribió:
>
>> Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I
>> let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom
>> (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2
>> I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another
>> week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from
>> Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement
>> of the current voting policy.
>>
>>
>> Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active
>> role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to
>> back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of
>> policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
>>
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
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>>    1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
>>    2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
>>    3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final   set)
>>       (Steven White)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200
>> From: MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com>
>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>>         <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates
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>> Hi,
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>> >
>> > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
>> LangCom
>> member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that
>> has no violatons of fundamental rules
>> >
>>
>> Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting
>> rules as stated at: <
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>> closure of projects policy decision policy <
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>> ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>.
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>>
>> There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on
>> this
>> list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with
>> the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
>>
>> None of such steps have been taken.
>>
>> The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
>>
>> Thanks, M.
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>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 23:17:27 +0100
>> From: Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Santali Wikipedia
>> Message-ID: <9871cd31-df51-4ead-9c3f-b19db998a...@evertype.com>
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>> It lacks an Ol Chiki font.
>>
>> > On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Santali is a language from the Indian subcontinent with around 6.3
>> billion speakers. The request for the Wikipedi in Santali has been there
>> for long and it was a part of CIS-A2K's 2014-15 Work Plan as well.
>> >
>> > The volunteer community has been working actively since September 2017
>> and all the translations have been completed as well.
>> >
>> > In a campaign of supporting Indian language Wikipedia program
>> coordinated by Wikimedia Foundation , Google, Centre for Internet and
>> Society (CIS), Wikimedia India chapter (WMIN), two of their editors, Ramjit
>> Tudu and Fagu Baskey have received laptops for their consistent effort for
>> Santali Wikipedia (https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSupporting_
>> Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program%2FSupport%2FLaptops&data=02%7C01%7C%
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>> > I even got some sample articles from a volunteer:
>> >
>> > 1. Leonardo da Vinci
>> > 2. Thomas Edison
>> > 3. Abdul Kalam
>> >
>> > I strongly suggest the approval of this Wikipedia as soon as possible.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Satdeep Gill
>> >
>> > Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
>> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
>> > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
>> > Member, Language Committee
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>> From: Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
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>> Subject: [Langcom] Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and
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>> Southern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_
>> languages%2FWikipedia_Southern_Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%
>> 7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
>> aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Ct%2FGmel%2Bn69TWZkglDwIdi%
>> 2BvP5MEKaLbNn0TIXa92Eo%3D&reserved=0> (alt), and related request from
>> 2015 for Northern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.
>> protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.
>> org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_
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>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=
>> ROraKuAkIGlsmQRGB6DPQbhJS6SAsAswIND2p0p5MYE%3D&reserved=0> (atv): Altai
>> is spoken by about 55,000 people. Southern Altai is the official language
>> of the Altai Republic, and is the basis for the written language. Test has
>> about 100 pages. There seems to be little doubt Southern Altai should be
>> eligible. I do wonder about Northern Altai, though. It's the official
>> language of Altai Krai, its test has about 30 pages, and it's apparently
>> not fully mutually intelligible with Southern Altai. Amir, do you know
>> anything about these?  I will mark Southern Altai eligible immediately; I
>> will wait a few days for comments, but then will probably mark Northern
>> Altai eligible, too.
>>
>>
>> Teri Sami<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_
>> languages%2FWikipedia_Ter_Sami&data=02%7C01%7C%
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>> 2BNgdlExHZNVynGHBA58%2B9%2FtSXTKV23DgwQ%3D&reserved=0> (sjt): Similar
>> argument to Kildin Sami from previous set, though the enwiki article now
>> says that there are two speakers left. There are about 20 pages in the
>> test. Marking as eligible.
>>
>>
>> Ingrian <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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>> argument to Kildin Sami. (Someone must have done a spurt of languages from
>> Russia back then.) About 100 test pages. Eligible.
>>
>>
>> Once these three requests have been taken care of, all requests dating
>> back to 2011 or earlier will have been addressed except for Balochi<
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>> I recall, Satdeep was looking into that situation, and I am leaving it in
>> his hands.
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>> Steven
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