Hoi,
The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given
the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So
no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to
> come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own
> personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring
> consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
>
> Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can
> formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few
> questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal).
> Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was
> rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
>
> Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this
> committee.
>
> Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
>
> Regards, M.
>
> 2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_ste...@sil.org>:
>
>> Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for
>> closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
>>
>> Fwiw,
>> Oliver
>>
>> On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
>>
>> If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported
>> and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
>>
>> El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I
>>> let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom
>>> (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2
>>> I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another
>>> week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from
>>> Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement
>>> of the current voting policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active
>>> role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to
>>> back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of
>>> policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>
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>>> 1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
>>> 2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
>>> 3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200
>>> From: MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com>
>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>>> <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
>>> LangCom
>>> member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that
>>> has no violatons of fundamental rules
>>> >
>>>
>>> Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting
>>> rules as stated at: <
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>>>
>>>
>>> There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on
>>> this
>>> list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place,
>>> with
>>> the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
>>>
>>> None of such steps have been taken.
>>>
>>> The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 23:17:27 +0100
>>> From: Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com>
>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
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>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Santali Wikipedia
>>> Message-ID: <9871cd31-df51-4ead-9c3f-b19db998a...@evertype.com>
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>>>
>>> It lacks an Ol Chiki font.
>>>
>>> > On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi everyone,
>>> >
>>> > Santali is a language from the Indian subcontinent with around 6.3
>>> billion speakers. The request for the Wikipedi in Santali has been there
>>> for long and it was a part of CIS-A2K's 2014-15 Work Plan as well.
>>> >
>>> > The volunteer community has been working actively since September 2017
>>> and all the translations have been completed as well.
>>> >
>>> > In a campaign of supporting Indian language Wikipedia program
>>> coordinated by Wikimedia Foundation , Google, Centre for Internet and
>>> Society (CIS), Wikimedia India chapter (WMIN), two of their editors, Ramjit
>>> Tudu and Fagu Baskey have received laptops for their consistent effort for
>>> Santali Wikipedia (https://eur02.safelinks.prote
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>>> 2Fwiki%2FSupporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program%
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>>> >
>>> > I even got some sample articles from a volunteer:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Leonardo da Vinci
>>> > 2. Thomas Edison
>>> > 3. Abdul Kalam
>>> >
>>> > I strongly suggest the approval of this Wikipedia as soon as possible.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> > Satdeep Gill
>>> >
>>> > Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
>>> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
>>> > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
>>> > Member, Language Committee
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>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:55:27 +0000
>>> From: Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
>>> To: "langcom@lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Subject: [Langcom] Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and
>>> final set)
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>>> Southern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ht
>>> tps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lan
>>> guages%2FWikipedia_Southern_Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d
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>>> a%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Ct%2FGmel%
>>> 2Bn69TWZkglDwIdi%2BvP5MEKaLbNn0TIXa92Eo%3D&reserved=0> (alt), and
>>> related request from 2015 for Northern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.
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>>> %2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Northern_
>>> Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C8
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>>> (atv): Altai is spoken by about 55,000 people. Southern Altai is the
>>> official language of the Altai Republic, and is the basis for the written
>>> language. Test has about 100 pages. There seems to be little doubt Southern
>>> Altai should be eligible. I do wonder about Northern Altai, though. It's
>>> the official language of Altai Krai, its test has about 30 pages, and it's
>>> apparently not fully mutually intelligible with Southern Altai. Amir, do
>>> you know anything about these? I will mark Southern Altai eligible
>>> immediately; I will wait a few days for comments, but then will probably
>>> mark Northern Altai eligible, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Teri Sami<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=htt
>>> ps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lang
>>> uages%2FWikipedia_Ter_Sami&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a00
>>> 48091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%
>>> 7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=rqTstR%2FMr%2BNgdlExHZNV
>>> ynGHBA58%2B9%2FtSXTKV23DgwQ%3D&reserved=0> (sjt): Similar argument to
>>> Kildin Sami from previous set, though the enwiki article now says that
>>> there are two speakers left. There are about 20 pages in the test. Marking
>>> as eligible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ingrian <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%
>>> 3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lang
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>>> Gx099FtVjspU%3D&reserved=0> (izh): Also similar argument to Kildin
>>> Sami. (Someone must have done a spurt of languages from Russia back then.)
>>> About 100 test pages. Eligible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Once these three requests have been taken care of, all requests dating
>>> back to 2011 or earlier will have been addressed except for Balochi<
>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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>>> fRiGSC4GvSzo%2F%2Bur%2Bs5Zdgxw%3D&reserved=0>. The last I recall,
>>> Satdeep was looking into that situation, and I am leaving it in his hands.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
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