Ah of course, rules are for outsiders then. I have reopened the discussion as it was closed against policy.
2018-04-10 22:32 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given > the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So > no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to >> come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own >> personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring >> consensus to close the project in the PCP page. >> >> Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk >> can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few >> questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). >> Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was >> rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough. >> >> Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this >> committee. >> >> Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it. >> >> Regards, M. >> >> 2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_ste...@sil.org>: >> >>> Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for >>> closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open. >>> >>> Fwiw, >>> Oliver >>> >>> On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote: >>> >>> If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported >>> and no one opposed. Thanks, M. >>> >>> El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> >>> escribió: >>> >>>> Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I >>>> let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom >>>> (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 >>>> I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another >>>> week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from >>>> Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement >>>> of the current voting policy. >>>> >>>> >>>> Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active >>>> role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to >>>> back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of >>>> policy have been met, I will continue to move things along. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Langcom <langcom-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of >>>> langcom-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <langcom-request@lists.wikimed >>>> ia.org> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:00 AM >>>> *To:* langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> *Subject:* Langcom Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9 >>>> >>>> Send Langcom mailing list submissions to >>>> langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom& >>>> data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7 >>>> fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata >>>> =8eKULGE1sOMGx5UXaGByVCGx09a7CGO6DWv9MtK3kbw%3D&reserved=0 >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> langcom-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> langcom-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio) >>>> 2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson) >>>> 3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) >>>> (Steven White) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 >>>> From: MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com> >>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee >>>> <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=mnp5...@mail.gm >>>> ail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one >>>> LangCom >>>> member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that >>>> has no violatons of fundamental rules >>>> > >>>> >>>> Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom >>>> voting >>>> rules as stated at: < >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVotin >>>> g_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59eda >>>> bbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846 >>>> 46177925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1G >>>> Qs%3D&reserved=0> and the >>>> >>>> closure of projects policy decision policy < >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy% >>>> 23Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbb >>>> a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846461 >>>> 77925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>. >>>> >>>> >>>> There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on >>>> this >>>> list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, >>>> with >>>> the Board holding ultimate vetoing power. >>>> >>>> None of such steps have been taken. >>>> >>>> The decision should be reversed as being done against policy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, M. >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3 >>>> A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fpipermail%2Flangcom%2Fattachmen >>>> ts%2F20180409%2Fa5732c2b%2Fattachment-0001.html&data=02% >>>> 7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640a >>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=vsmEE2Y >>>> JARSOMyZvomya%2BX9v89AIyaoJ621MgjK2xc8%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 23:17:27 +0100 >>>> From: Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com> >>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee >>>> <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Santali Wikipedia >>>> Message-ID: <9871cd31-df51-4ead-9c3f-b19db998a...@evertype.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> It lacks an Ol Chiki font. >>>> >>>> > On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi everyone, >>>> > >>>> > Santali is a language from the Indian subcontinent with around 6.3 >>>> billion speakers. The request for the Wikipedi in Santali has been there >>>> for long and it was a part of CIS-A2K's 2014-15 Work Plan as well. >>>> > >>>> > The volunteer community has been working actively since September >>>> 2017 and all the translations have been completed as well. >>>> > >>>> > In a campaign of supporting Indian language Wikipedia program >>>> coordinated by Wikimedia Foundation , Google, Centre for Internet and >>>> Society (CIS), Wikimedia India chapter (WMIN), two of their editors, Ramjit >>>> Tudu and Fagu Baskey have received laptops for their consistent effort for >>>> Santali Wikipedia (https://eur02.safelinks.prote >>>> ction.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwi >>>> ki%2FSupporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program%2FSupport >>>> %2FLaptops&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59eda >>>> bbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846 >>>> 46177925&sdata=Td2eKtDsRDH7yAb5hR01aN1nZUIKl5T7GTWHjonYsX8% >>>> 3D&reserved=0). >>>> > >>>> > I even got some sample articles from a volunteer: >>>> > >>>> > 1. Leonardo da Vinci >>>> > 2. Thomas Edison >>>> > 3. Abdul Kalam >>>> > >>>> > I strongly suggest the approval of this Wikipedia as soon as possible. >>>> > >>>> > Regards >>>> > Satdeep Gill >>>> > >>>> > Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>>> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>>> > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >>>> > Member, Language Committee >>>> > >>>> > Virus-free. https://eur02.safelinks.protec >>>> tion.outlook.com/?url=www.avast.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d >>>> 893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa >>>> aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=jwnrGhHB8LggaQ%2F9eD >>>> n%2BRG0XOiBWh6mavS6DrUzV%2FRM%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Langcom mailing list >>>> > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom& >>>> data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7 >>>> fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata >>>> =8eKULGE1sOMGx5UXaGByVCGx09a7CGO6DWv9MtK3kbw%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:55:27 +0000 >>>> From: Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> >>>> To: "langcom@lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> Subject: [Langcom] Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and >>>> final set) >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <BLUPR12MB06918F53DA1C1612C2C560C39EBF0@BLUPR12MB0691.namprd >>>> 12.prod.outlook.com> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Southern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ht >>>> tps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lan >>>> guages%2FWikipedia_Southern_Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d89 >>>> 3a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa% >>>> 7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Ct%2FGmel%2Bn69TWZkglDwI >>>> di%2BvP5MEKaLbNn0TIXa92Eo%3D&reserved=0> (alt), and related request >>>> from 2015 for Northern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks. >>>> protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org >>>> %2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Northern_Al >>>> tai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84d >>>> f9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925& >>>> sdata=ROraKuAkIGlsmQRGB6DPQbhJS6SAsAswIND2p0p5MYE%3D&reserved=0> >>>> (atv): Altai is spoken by about 55,000 people. Southern Altai is the >>>> official language of the Altai Republic, and is the basis for the written >>>> language. Test has about 100 pages. There seems to be little doubt Southern >>>> Altai should be eligible. I do wonder about Northern Altai, though. It's >>>> the official language of Altai Krai, its test has about 30 pages, and it's >>>> apparently not fully mutually intelligible with Southern Altai. Amir, do >>>> you know anything about these? I will mark Southern Altai eligible >>>> immediately; I will wait a few days for comments, but then will probably >>>> mark Northern Altai eligible, too. >>>> >>>> >>>> Teri Sami<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=htt >>>> ps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lang >>>> uages%2FWikipedia_Ter_Sami&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a00480 >>>> 91e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0 >>>> %7C636589584646177925&sdata=rqTstR%2FMr%2BNgdlExHZNVynGHBA >>>> 58%2B9%2FtSXTKV23DgwQ%3D&reserved=0> (sjt): Similar argument to Kildin >>>> Sami from previous set, though the enwiki article now says that there are >>>> two speakers left. There are about 20 pages in the test. Marking as >>>> eligible. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ingrian <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3 >>>> A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_language >>>> s%2FWikipedia_Ingrian&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e68 >>>> 08d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63 >>>> 6589584646177925&sdata=Am7Y7iggO3cxk%2BTGGRtoUOAjVEB44ETGx09 >>>> 9FtVjspU%3D&reserved=0> (izh): Also similar argument to Kildin Sami. >>>> (Someone must have done a spurt of languages from Russia back then.) About >>>> 100 test pages. Eligible. >>>> >>>> >>>> Once these three requests have been taken care of, all requests dating >>>> back to 2011 or earlier will have been addressed except for Balochi< >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= >>>> https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_l >>>> anguages%2FWikipedia_Balochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a004 >>>> 8091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 >>>> C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=900c9gC3kSL7dNer2ZPRQ30j10MfOo >>>> v0Axkxng%2FLIx8%3D&reserved=0> and Eastern Balochi< >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= >>>> https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_l >>>> anguages%2FWikipedia_Eastern_Balochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857 >>>> d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaa >>>> aa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=cORD%2F7bsGcteIRR98YQf >>>> RiGSC4GvSzo%2F%2Bur%2Bs5Zdgxw%3D&reserved=0>. The last I recall, >>>> Satdeep was looking into that situation, and I am leaving it in his hands. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= >>>> http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893 >>>> a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7 >>>> C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=CDjUFUa35WYtkvfkBg3yB4TLG1 >>>> hy9jfriNdSeQ7J%2F7A%3D&reserved=0> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3 >>>> A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fpipermail%2Flangcom%2Fattachmen >>>> ts%2F20180409%2F9fc9553f%2Fattachment-0001.html&data=02% >>>> 7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640a >>>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=tzV%2F9 >>>> vUkCT9JkV3n0SWWh2489Js35b2JUW7kGZcQ%2BoQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom& >>>> data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7 >>>> fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata >>>> =8eKULGE1sOMGx5UXaGByVCGx09a7CGO6DWv9MtK3kbw%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of Langcom Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9 >>>> ************************************** >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>> -- >>> M. 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