That's not correct. Being very active does not mean that the policy does
not apply.

I will comment about this procedure later.

Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 10. Apr. 2018,
22:33:

> Hoi,
> The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given
> the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So
> no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to
>> come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own
>> personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring
>> consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
>>
>> Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk
>> can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few
>> questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal).
>> Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was
>> rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
>>
>> Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this
>> committee.
>>
>> Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
>>
>> Regards, M.
>>
>> 2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_ste...@sil.org>:
>>
>>> Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for
>>> closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
>>>
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
>>>
>>> If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported
>>> and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
>>>
>>> El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I
>>>> let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom
>>>> (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2
>>>> I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another
>>>> week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from
>>>> Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement
>>>> of the current voting policy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active
>>>> role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to
>>>> back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of
>>>> policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>    1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
>>>>    2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
>>>>    3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final   set)
>>>>       (Steven White)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200
>>>> From: MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>>>>         <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates
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>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
>>>> LangCom
>>>> member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that
>>>> has no violatons of fundamental rules
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom
>>>> voting
>>>> rules as stated at: <
>>>>
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVoting_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1GQs%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> and the
>>>>
>>>> closure of projects policy decision policy <
>>>>
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy%23Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0
>>>> >.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on
>>>> this
>>>> list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place,
>>>> with
>>>> the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
>>>>
>>>> None of such steps have been taken.
>>>>
>>>> The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, M.
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 23:17:27 +0100
>>>> From: Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com>
>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>>>>         <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Santali Wikipedia
>>>> Message-ID: <9871cd31-df51-4ead-9c3f-b19db998a...@evertype.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> It lacks an Ol Chiki font.
>>>>
>>>> > On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > Santali is a language from the Indian subcontinent with around 6.3
>>>> billion speakers. The request for the Wikipedi in Santali has been there
>>>> for long and it was a part of CIS-A2K's 2014-15 Work Plan as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > The volunteer community has been working actively since September
>>>> 2017 and all the translations have been completed as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > In a campaign of supporting Indian language Wikipedia program
>>>> coordinated by Wikimedia Foundation , Google, Centre for Internet and
>>>> Society (CIS), Wikimedia India chapter (WMIN), two of their editors, Ramjit
>>>> Tudu and Fagu Baskey have received laptops for their consistent effort for
>>>> Santali Wikipedia (
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSupporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program%2FSupport%2FLaptops&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Td2eKtDsRDH7yAb5hR01aN1nZUIKl5T7GTWHjonYsX8%3D&reserved=0).
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > I even got some sample articles from a volunteer:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Leonardo da Vinci
>>>> > 2. Thomas Edison
>>>> > 3. Abdul Kalam
>>>> >
>>>> > I strongly suggest the approval of this Wikipedia as soon as possible.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > Satdeep Gill
>>>> >
>>>> > Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
>>>> > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
>>>> > Member, Language Committee
>>>> >
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>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:55:27 +0000
>>>> From: Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "langcom@lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> Subject: [Langcom] Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and
>>>>         final   set)
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> blupr12mb06918f53da1c1612c2c560c39e...@blupr12mb0691.namprd12.prod.outlook.com
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>>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Southern Altai<
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Southern_Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Ct%2FGmel%2Bn69TWZkglDwIdi%2BvP5MEKaLbNn0TIXa92Eo%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> (alt), and related request from 2015 for Northern Altai<
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Northern_Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=ROraKuAkIGlsmQRGB6DPQbhJS6SAsAswIND2p0p5MYE%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> (atv): Altai is spoken by about 55,000 people. Southern Altai is the
>>>> official language of the Altai Republic, and is the basis for the written
>>>> language. Test has about 100 pages. There seems to be little doubt Southern
>>>> Altai should be eligible. I do wonder about Northern Altai, though. It's
>>>> the official language of Altai Krai, its test has about 30 pages, and it's
>>>> apparently not fully mutually intelligible with Southern Altai. Amir, do
>>>> you know anything about these?  I will mark Southern Altai eligible
>>>> immediately; I will wait a few days for comments, but then will probably
>>>> mark Northern Altai eligible, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teri Sami<
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Ter_Sami&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=rqTstR%2FMr%2BNgdlExHZNVynGHBA58%2B9%2FtSXTKV23DgwQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> (sjt): Similar argument to Kildin Sami from previous set, though the enwiki
>>>> article now says that there are two speakers left. There are about 20 pages
>>>> in the test. Marking as eligible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ingrian <
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Ingrian&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Am7Y7iggO3cxk%2BTGGRtoUOAjVEB44ETGx099FtVjspU%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> (izh): Also similar argument to Kildin Sami. (Someone must have done a
>>>> spurt of languages from Russia back then.) About 100 test pages. Eligible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once these three requests have been taken care of, all requests dating
>>>> back to 2011 or earlier will have been addressed except for Balochi<
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Balochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=900c9gC3kSL7dNer2ZPRQ30j10MfOov0Axkxng%2FLIx8%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> and Eastern Balochi<
>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Eastern_Balochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=cORD%2F7bsGcteIRR98YQfRiGSC4GvSzo%2F%2Bur%2Bs5Zdgxw%3D&reserved=0>.
>>>> The last I recall, Satdeep was looking into that situation, and I am
>>>> leaving it in his hands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
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