Hoi,
There are short lines of communications. Personally I hate when there is
too much bureacracy. Your opening the discussion is EXACTLY why I have a
distaste for these line of arguments. It is not up to you.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:35, MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah of course, rules are for outsiders then. I have reopened the discussion
> as it was closed against policy.
>
> 2018-04-10 22:32 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given
>> the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So
>> no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to
>>> come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own
>>> personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring
>>> consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
>>>
>>> Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk
>>> can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few
>>> questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal).
>>> Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was
>>> rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
>>>
>>> Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this
>>> committee.
>>>
>>> Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
>>>
>>> Regards, M.
>>>
>>> 2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_ste...@sil.org>:
>>>
>>>> Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for
>>>> closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
>>>>
>>>> Fwiw,
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported
>>>> and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
>>>>
>>>> El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <
>>>> koala19...@hotmail.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19.
>>>>> I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom
>>>>> (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April
>>>>> 2
>>>>> I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another
>>>>> week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even
>>>>> from
>>>>> Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement
>>>>> of the current voting policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active
>>>>> role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to
>>>>> back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of
>>>>> policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
>>>>> 2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
>>>>> 3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set)
>>>>> (Steven White)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200
>>>>> From: MarcoAurelio <strig...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>>>>> <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=mnp5...@mail.gm
>>>>> ail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
>>>>> LangCom
>>>>> member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project
>>>>> that
>>>>> has no violatons of fundamental rules
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom
>>>>> voting
>>>>> rules as stated at: <
>>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A
>>>>> %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVotin
>>>>> g_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%
>>>>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177
>>>>> 925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1GQs
>>>>> %3D&reserved=0> and the
>>>>>
>>>>> closure of projects policy decision policy <
>>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A
>>>>> %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy%23
>>>>> Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%
>>>>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177
>>>>> 925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on
>>>>> this
>>>>> list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place,
>>>>> with
>>>>> the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
>>>>>
>>>>> None of such steps have been taken.
>>>>>
>>>>> The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 23:17:27 +0100
>>>>> From: Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com>
>>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>>>>> <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approval for Santali Wikipedia
>>>>> Message-ID: <9871cd31-df51-4ead-9c3f-b19db998a...@evertype.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> It lacks an Ol Chiki font.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Santali is a language from the Indian subcontinent with around 6.3
>>>>> billion speakers. The request for the Wikipedi in Santali has been there
>>>>> for long and it was a part of CIS-A2K's 2014-15 Work Plan as well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The volunteer community has been working actively since September
>>>>> 2017 and all the translations have been completed as well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In a campaign of supporting Indian language Wikipedia program
>>>>> coordinated by Wikimedia Foundation , Google, Centre for Internet and
>>>>> Society (CIS), Wikimedia India chapter (WMIN), two of their editors,
>>>>> Ramjit
>>>>> Tudu and Fagu Baskey have received laptops for their consistent effort for
>>>>> Santali Wikipedia (https://eur02.safelinks.prote
>>>>> ction.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwi
>>>>> ki%2FSupporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program%2FSupport
>>>>> %2FLaptops&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbb
>>>>> a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846461
>>>>> 77925&sdata=Td2eKtDsRDH7yAb5hR01aN1nZUIKl5T7GTWHjonYsX8%3D&reserved=0).
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I even got some sample articles from a volunteer:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. Leonardo da Vinci
>>>>> > 2. Thomas Edison
>>>>> > 3. Abdul Kalam
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I strongly suggest the approval of this Wikipedia as soon as
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> > Satdeep Gill
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
>>>>> > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
>>>>> > Member, Language Committee
>>>>> >
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>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:55:27 +0000
>>>>> From: Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "langcom@lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Langcom] Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and
>>>>> final set)
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <BLUPR12MB06918F53DA1C1612C2C560C39EBF0@BLUPR12MB0691.namprd
>>>>> 12.prod.outlook.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Southern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ht
>>>>> tps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lan
>>>>> guages%2FWikipedia_Southern_Altai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d89
>>>>> 3a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%
>>>>> 7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=Ct%2FGmel%2Bn69TWZkglDwId
>>>>> i%2BvP5MEKaLbNn0TIXa92Eo%3D&reserved=0> (alt), and related request
>>>>> from 2015 for Northern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.
>>>>> protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org
>>>>> %2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Northern_Al
>>>>> tai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84d
>>>>> f9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&s
>>>>> data=ROraKuAkIGlsmQRGB6DPQbhJS6SAsAswIND2p0p5MYE%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>> (atv): Altai is spoken by about 55,000 people. Southern Altai is the
>>>>> official language of the Altai Republic, and is the basis for the written
>>>>> language. Test has about 100 pages. There seems to be little doubt
>>>>> Southern
>>>>> Altai should be eligible. I do wonder about Northern Altai, though. It's
>>>>> the official language of Altai Krai, its test has about 30 pages, and it's
>>>>> apparently not fully mutually intelligible with Southern Altai. Amir, do
>>>>> you know anything about these? I will mark Southern Altai eligible
>>>>> immediately; I will wait a few days for comments, but then will probably
>>>>> mark Northern Altai eligible, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Teri Sami<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=htt
>>>>> ps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lang
>>>>> uages%2FWikipedia_Ter_Sami&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a00480
>>>>> 91e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0
>>>>> %7C636589584646177925&sdata=rqTstR%2FMr%2BNgdlExHZNVynGHBA58
>>>>> %2B9%2FtSXTKV23DgwQ%3D&reserved=0> (sjt): Similar argument to Kildin
>>>>> Sami from previous set, though the enwiki article now says that there are
>>>>> two speakers left. There are about 20 pages in the test. Marking as
>>>>> eligible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ingrian <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3
>>>>> A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_language
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>>>>> 9FtVjspU%3D&reserved=0> (izh): Also similar argument to Kildin Sami.
>>>>> (Someone must have done a spurt of languages from Russia back then.) About
>>>>> 100 test pages. Eligible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Once these three requests have been taken care of, all requests dating
>>>>> back to 2011 or earlier will have been addressed except for Balochi<
>>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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>>>>> anguages%2FWikipedia_Balochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a004
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>>>>> v0Axkxng%2FLIx8%3D&reserved=0> and Eastern Balochi<
>>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_l
>>>>> anguages%2FWikipedia_Eastern_Balochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857
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>>>>> RiGSC4GvSzo%2F%2Bur%2Bs5Zdgxw%3D&reserved=0>. The last I recall,
>>>>> Satdeep was looking into that situation, and I am leaving it in his hands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
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