Thanks for checking up on it, Satdeep. I'm very relieved that I was wrong about it, and sorry for creating any unnecessary confusion. Also an apt reminder for me at least that Google Translate is not a good tool for this kind of thing.
As for the Western Punjabi/Saraiki issue, I don't know enough about that to have any opinion either way. tir. 8. okt. 2019 kl. 19:00 skrev Satdeep Gill <[email protected]>: > I have checked multiple pages and they are definitely not Urdu and look > Saraiki to me. Saraiki is similar to Punjabi so I can understand it and > confirm that this looks legitimate to me. > > P.S. Western Punjabi and Saraiki are pretty similar and my personal view > is that this should be accommodated on one Wikipedia but the > sociology-political situation in Pakistan calls for a separate Wikipedia > for Saraiki. > > Regards > Satdeep Gill > > Program Officer > GLAM and Underrepresented Knowledge > Wikimedia Foundation > > > On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Steven White <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have put a query to the community at >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/skr/%D9%BE%DB%81%D9%84%D8%A7_%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AA#Approval_issue_for_the_community. >> I will post links at Incubator's Community Portal and at the Meta request >> page. >> >> Steven >> >> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Langcom <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Steven White <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2019 9:55 AM >> *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki >> >> Gerard, I'm sympathetic to that position. But I don't see any provision >> for a ban in the policy, and LangCom doesn't own Incubator. So I don't >> quite know how or where to initiate a discussion to propose a ban. I can, >> however, indefinitely block as an Incubator administrator, as deliberately >> creating content to pass it off as the wrong language is, if nothing else, >> a form of vandalism or disruptive editing. >> >> In the meantime, I intend to go over to that test project and ask them >> what is going on. Our general rules require that. >> >> Steven >> >> Sent from Outlook >> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc202ec9d3d3443df77f608d74bf78912%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637061398835945899&sdata=UkHqlEl4Mg%2FvP3vsL9g2vF9esJV67%2FgR%2FDMH5W8bQmQ%3D&reserved=0> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Langcom <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2019 2:03 AM >> *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki >> >> Hoi, >> No we have an indefinite ban on incubator for the people posing as if >> they speak a language they do not speak. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 22:25, Steven White <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This really upsets me. But if the content is in Urdu, then (a) we ask >> what's going on, (b) we don't approve, and (c) in all likelihood, we >> propose an indef block on Incubator, given that many of the same characters >> were involved in a problem around the Khowar project a couple of years back. >> >> Steven >> >> Sent from Outlook >> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc202ec9d3d3443df77f608d74bf78912%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637061398835955907&sdata=AJBLBGY2sgQ9KtdhxUUhhCkJkcaqLrf78ZERgqWDo1I%3D&reserved=0> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Langcom <[email protected]> on behalf of Jon >> Harald Søby <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 7, 2019 5:33 AM >> *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki >> >> Hi all! >> >> I wanted to let you know that I'm in touch with an expert with regards to >> verifying Wikipedia in Saraiki >> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWp%2Fskr&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc202ec9d3d3443df77f608d74bf78912%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637061398835955907&sdata=6VoBoJ7yjRSReIo%2BTJUzDjdthhaz6XBZSr9tbeS7pC4%3D&reserved=0> >> (skr). It was previously mentioned by Seven in an email titled "Final >> approval for four projects" from August 16. >> >> The expert checked one page and said it is in Urdu and not Saraiki >> (although it is *about* Saraiki topics). He said he will get back to me >> to check more pages in a week or two. >> >> However, after he said that, I've checked several pages with Google >> Translate from Urdu to English, and they all produce very legible content >> (for Google Translate). That makes me suspicious that maybe all the content >> is in fact in Urdu – if it was in fact in a smaller language, I would >> expect a certain amount of words that Google Translate just doesn't >> understand. >> >> So the question is, what do we do if it turns out that most/all content >> is in Urdu? >> >> -- >> mvh >> Jon Harald Søby >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc202ec9d3d3443df77f608d74bf78912%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637061398835965916&sdata=evKTvHlBRdygOTnWC5IDUCsIZ93%2FHSa3JJ9pvXUWSWY%3D&reserved=0> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > -- mvh Jon Harald Søby
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