Hoi,
For the Saraiki Wiktionary full localisation is required.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 16:29, Steven White <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have we heard from the expert yet?
>
> On a related subject: Do we have any Wiktionary experts here? Saraiki
> Wiktionary is also now approvable in theory (assuming that the language
> issue on the Wikipedia clears). My concern about the Saraiki Wiktionary is
> only that compared to a lot of Wiktionary projects, this one appears pretty
> basic to me: just a straight Saraiki dictionary, with little in the way of
> bells and whistles (pronunciation, translations to other languages, etc.).
> But that's just based on the gross appearance of pages, as I do not read
> Saraiki (or any other language written in Perso-Arabic script). So Satdeep
> and anyone else: Does the content look ok? Are there greater expectations
> of what a Wiktionary should contain—expectations we have not communicated,
> I will add—or is this project appropriate and acceptable?
>
> Steven
>
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> Harald Søby <[email protected]>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki
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> I am still waiting to hear back from the expert. If he says the rest of
> the pages look fine, then I think we can move forward – Steven makes some
> good points as usual.
>
> tor. 10. okt. 2019 kl. 21:03 skrev Gerard Meijssen <
> [email protected]>:
>
> Hoi,
> The final stage is that we verify if the language it is said to be. When
> we find it is not or are not certain we have all the room to seek another
> authority to move forward. At this stage it becomes confusing and I am not
> convinced at all that we should.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 19:21, Steven White <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> This is effectively the same problem as we saw in the discussion of
> Montenegrin Wikipedia—although since all but two of us are from Europe,
> North America or Israel, we feel more confident making calls in a case like
> Montenegrin than we do here. (And, candidly, there is less chance in the
> Montenegrin case of being accused of racism/Euro-centrism, even if that
> accusation would be totally without merit in this case.)
>
> But as I said back then, the rule as currently written is fine when the
> language area starts with a clean slate. If there were no Western Punjabi
> Wikipedia now, we could reasonably try to get a single project to try to
> accommodate both Western Punjabi and Saraiki. (Whether that effort would be
> successful is a different question, but we could try.) However, I take
> Satdeep's comment below to indicate that there would be serious problems
> trying to integrate a new Saraiki-language community into a ten-year old
> Western Punjabi-language community, and that he recommends against it,
> based on the current "facts on the ground". Besides, to some extent the
> time to say "no" has passed, since Satdeep marked the project as "eligible"
> in 2017. So I think we need to move forward with this.
>
> Steven
>
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> Harald Søby <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2019 4:44 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki
>
> ...
>
> As for the Western Punjabi/Saraiki issue, I don't know enough about that
> to have any opinion either way.
>
> tir. 8. okt. 2019 kl. 19:00 skrev Satdeep Gill <[email protected]>:
>
> ...
>
> P.S. Western Punjabi and Saraiki are pretty similar and my personal view
> is that this should be accommodated on one Wikipedia but the
> sociology-political situation in Pakistan calls for a separate Wikipedia
> for Saraiki.
>
> Regards
> Satdeep Gill
>
>
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