I've said before, but not in the post you responded to, that I am very oppossed to any kind of retroactive criminalization Terry. Also, I was responding to some one implying there was great political gains to be made, and responded on the political side to say gains are minimal wich I believe to be true. I did not respond with morality or idealogy in mind. I also have said I am for open imigration, starting with imigration reform that leads in that direction. I imagine your still a little disgusted, but I hope not so much as before.
--- In [email protected], "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uncoolrabbit, I'm disgusted by this reasoning :( > > They are human beings asking to not be made felons for just > living and working. Also, CBS poll released this past Monday > sez that three quaters of Americans APPROVE the concept of > providing currentlly illegal aliens with a path to legality. > > What fucking political calculation is needed here! > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> > wrote: > > > > I was talking about it from a political point of view not an > > idealogical point of view. I do apreciate local control, but I > don't > > have some phobia of being walled out of Mexico either. We agree on > > some things, disagree on others. I am in favor of open imigration > in > > theory but there are many issues to adress on the road to this > > honorable goal. So I stand by my statement that political gains > from > > speaking out on the right thing to do will bring little gain if any > > as it would alienate the closet protectionists while failing to > grab > > a substantial chunk of the democratic support. As a whole the party > > would gain little. Individuals stand to gain alot however, > especialy > > a hispanic libertarian politician who wanted to use the moment for > > instant political gains. > > > > Im pro imigration terry, I am just saying it would not cause long > > term increased success for the party at a national level. I can see > > it doing alot for the party in southwestern states though. I was in > > Texas for almost two years and I will be back there again soon, and > > many of the nicest people I knew down there were Mexican migrants, > I > > know there not criminals or dangerous people but my stance on a > need > > to document imigrants and migrants remains becasue it is not only > > Latine Americans who cross north over the Rio Grande. If you look > > into past news you might find mention of the 4 Pakistani's who were > > aprehended after slipping into Texas, and spent an absurdley long > > time in US custody for being mere ilegal imigrants, as they were > not > > mere ilegal imigrants. > > > > I never said stick our heads in the sand, I said flashing our > > tailfeathers wont turn as many heads as the post I replied to > > implied. > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > > wrote: > > > > > > No you are wrong Uncool Rabbit, libertarians sticking their heads > > in > > > the sand or zipping their lips would not be a good stradegy > move, > > > taking a stand would be but it needs to a thought out stand, > > > immigration is a human rights and property rights issue, it is a > > > local issue ( being that you are a green libertarian you should > be > > > able to appreciate and communicate the importance of local > > control) > > > that can preculde Open borders but it does not include the > federal > > > government having immigration laws especially heavy handed > > dracionan > > > laws and it is very important that the federal government does > not > > > build my dear Senator Bill Frisk's big wall on the border, walls > > can > > > keep people in as well as keep them out.--- In > > > [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It might have been missed in the intial post... that the > massive > > > > latino protests are not about imigration. They are about ilegal > > > > imigration. Pro imigration is great, but the right stance on it > > > right > > > > now won't bring the political success imagined as the right > > > approach > > > > is not to support ilegal imigration, wich also would only bring > > its > > > > greatest success with non americans. The LP getting vocal here > > > would > > > > serve to divide the already small LP, and give undue credit to > > the > > > > administration. There is a mass of issues that must be resolved > > > before > > > > open imigration should hit the LP political table, everything > > from > > > > imigration system reform to ending the welfare state. > > > > > > > > I would say this is a good time to say mum is the word, going > > pro > > > > ilegal imigration will not wrestle some great hispanic support > > for > > > the > > > > LP away from the democrats. > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
