Terry L Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Cory, news flash:
'LiberVentionists' ARE in the LP and want to recruit even MORE
supporters of Bush/Cheney style dictatorship & oligarchy :(
-Terry Liberty Parker
Please see what I wrote in
LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/47412
--- In [email protected], "Cory Nott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I find it highly doubtful that anyone would join the LP or claim to
be a
> libertarian if they believed that dictator, oligarchy or other form
of
> authoritarian government were the best way to achieve anything
close to what
> we describe as our platform.
>
> I say Paul's analogy is flawed because "belief in Jesus of
Nazareth" isn't
> necessarily a requirement to be a Christian. One could be born into
the
> Catholic church and baptized. Unitarians accept non-believers . An
atheist
> showed up at almost any Christian church and said that he wants to
believe
> but is having trouble, they would probably welcome him with open
arms. For
> years he may struggle with doubts but still could call himself
Christian. A
> strong believer in Jesus may explore other religions. Everyone
approaches a
> belief or a desire to be like Christ differently and it can be a
very
> personal thing. If Paul wants to keep his analogy then he will have
to agree
> that belief in the NAP is also a highly personal thing and one's
commitment
> cannot be easily questioned by mere mortals unless there is some
sort of
> egregious violation.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Terry L Parker
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:49 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Purity
>
>
> Cory, sans universal physical aggression truce, libertarianism can
> describe a dictator, an oligarchy and so on, since the rulers
> certainly have 'liberty'
>
> Please see what I wrote in
> LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/47412
>
>
> -TLP
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Cory Nott" <corynott@> wrote:
> >
> > If you had read what I wrote correctly, you would have seen
that I
> said "all
> > ideas on liberty lead toward the basic philosophy of non-
> aggression."
> >
> > I am not wrong. Your analogy, like the one about American being
> some sort of
> > corporate mall, is flawed. Libertarianism isn't a religion where
> everyone
> > must have one core belief or be left out in the cold. Liberty is
> objective,
> > but there may be different ideas on how to get there and just
what
> liberty
> > fully is. I have a moral commitment to the premise of the NAP
but I
> would
> > not require other libertarians to have that same moral value.
I'm
> happy if
> > they accept that is the best principle, or think it's
generally a
> good idea
> > to an extent greater than what we have in government today.
> >
> > I'm also wondering why Satan worshippers aren't Christians
> according to your
> > definition. Most Satan worshippers believe in Jesus of
Nazareth -
> they just
> > don't worship Him. Also, what about those people who believe
Jesus
> existed
> > but don't believe he was God and don't call themselves
Christian?
> Maybe you
> > need to define the core belief of Christianity further, but I
still
> don't
> > think it'll make for a good analogy.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Paul
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:31 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Purity
> >
> >
> > Wrong. Comparing Christianity to Libertarianism is an
absolutely
> > perfect analogy. Christianity has a set belief system and so
does
> > libertarianism. Christianity has a core belief that
separates its
> > belief system from others. In this case the belief in Jesus
of
> > Nazareth. In the case of Libertarianism it's the believe in
and
> > support of the non-aggression principle. If someone does not
> believe
> > in the nap, the term "libertarianism" is as inappropriate for
> them as
> > is "Christianity" for a Satan worshiping.
> >
> > All paths do not lead to liberty. Some lead to aggression,
and
> those
> > that lead to aggression always lead away from liberty.
> Aggression in
> > the name of liberty is like rape in the name of virginity.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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