----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> OK Stephen, let's leave all that aside for a moment. Tell me this: how do > you propose running this country, building highways, caring for the sick, > keeping our treaties and agreements and providing or the national > defence....and education the population without taxing the citizens? > OK, John. First, let's get one thing out of the way. NO government program, not a single one, exists to "help the people". Every single one is simply used for patronage by the criminals in charge. Building highways is payback to CERTAIN contractors that made large enough contributions to gain the work. Same goes for helping the poor. While any person with a low enough provable income might qualify, the PURPOSE of the program is for the patronage the programs provide. And patronage is provable with FEC records. ALL federal employees are hired based on their contributions to CERTAIN candidates, and the flavor of their urine. If you think I am wrong, just take the amount of money spent on welfare (or any other government program), divide by the number of people "served", and you will find that amount is mind boggling. Reagan, as bad as he was, stated when he ran the first time that each welfare recipient's share was something in the neighborhood of $70,000 each. The problem is that that money gets laundered through tens of thousands of bureaucrats. And it has only gotten worse in the past twentyfive years. Now, to your questions: 1. Building highways: In OHIO, the government rarely, if ever, builds roads. New roads are always built by developers. Even the earliest roads, were toll roads. Now local governments do capital improvements, which is things like widening and repaving, etc. The ONLY new roads are federal, which are built by certain contractors and are built where certain developers and certain contributors want them. The federal interstate system is what has led to "urban sprawl", led to the decline of railroads, and nearly destroyed the fledgling airline system (which never rebounded until the deregulation of the early eighties). 2. Caring for the sick: When I was a kid, doctors were so plentiful, they had to make house calls to keep their customers. EVERYBODY could afford a doctor, as they were cheap and there were numerous charitable clinics and hospitals. With the advent of the patronage laden Medicare and Medicaid programs, it became too expensive for doctors to provide for the poor. And don't forget that medical schools are being closed throughout the US. Not because of a lack of need, but because bureaucrats use the idea that there are too many doctors if they can't afford to spend the time and money to fill out government forms. Hence, the cost of medical care will go up, increasing the perceived need for the same bureaucratic programs that caused the problems to begin with! 3. Treaties and defense: I don't know anybody that opposes treaties, though there should be little need if we aren't stumbling around the world like a bull in a china shop. And most of our defense needs could eaily be met without a standing army (it is against the Constitution, anyway) or a "blue water" navy. A coastal navy should be sufficient. We currently have troops in 170+ countries, some of which we will never recognize. These troops can be considered "pop-up" targets, in the way of local civil unrest or regional disputes we will never understand. 4. Education: The government school system was set up in the late 1800's, mainly to keep Roman Catholic children from learning and practicing their form of worship. In those early years, prayer was required, but a child could not "cross" himself. Heaven help the child with a Native American faith or the Jewish child. Nobody on this list is opposed to education. My own kids could read and write before they ever started school, and they both spent the next fourteen or fifteen years bored. They both graduated early. FWIW, I only sent my kids to school because I was a very low income single parent that HAD to work and I needed a cheap baby sitter. This was a mistake because they were indoctrinated with a pro military, pro democrat party,pro Gaia theology. Not to mention the bad habits they learned from their peers. > Now please, don't give me any theory BS....like it should be this or is > should not be that....just tell me how a Libertarian President, should one > ever be elected, do these things? > > It seems to be the weak link in your entire platform. > Now that isn't theory or BS. Just plain common sense. While we are at it, do you support or oppose the patronage laden TSA? The agency that "provides" security at airports? The agency that provides any carnie with a republican pedigree (and a certain flavor of urine) a good government job and who's job appears to be to fondle our loved ones? PEACE Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer Franklin County Libertarian Party (614) 891-8841 P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable" John F. Kennedy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
