John, this is bullshit; as in not genuine. Your tactics can only work with weak minded people who don't really pay attention; which is to say, they won't work here.
-TLP --- In [email protected], "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is what I notice... > > When I have asked direct questions, you folks have not once come up with any > direct answers. Instead you deny the worth of the question, thus attacking > the messenger, or give me jargon or theory. > > If you care to just answer the question that would be great. So far all you > folks are convincing me of is that you are in the same ballpark as > neoconservatives and have given no thought to the outcomes of your > proposals. > > Ans Steve, you talk like every other typical politician I have come across. > > > On 7/3/06, steven linnabary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <john.stroebel% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > OK Stephen, let's leave all that aside for a moment. Tell me this: how > > do > > > you propose running this country, building highways, caring for the > > sick, > > > keeping our treaties and agreements and providing or the national > > > defence....and education the population without taxing the citizens? > > > > > > > OK, John. > > > > First, let's get one thing out of the way. NO government program, not a > > single one, exists to "help the people". Every single one is simply used > > for patronage by the criminals in charge. Building highways is payback to > > CERTAIN contractors that made large enough contributions to gain the work. > > > > Same goes for helping the poor. While any person with a low enough > > provable > > income might qualify, the PURPOSE of the program is for the patronage the > > programs provide. And patronage is provable with FEC records. ALL federal > > employees are hired based on their contributions to CERTAIN candidates, > > and > > the flavor of their urine. > > > > If you think I am wrong, just take the amount of money spent on welfare > > (or > > any other government program), divide by the number of people "served", > > and > > you will find that amount is mind boggling. Reagan, as bad as he was, > > stated when he ran the first time that each welfare recipient's share was > > something in the neighborhood of $70,000 each. The problem is that that > > money gets laundered through tens of thousands of bureaucrats. And it has > > only gotten worse in the past twentyfive years. > > > > Now, to your questions: > > 1. Building highways: In OHIO, the government rarely, if ever, builds > > roads. New roads are always built by developers. Even the earliest roads, > > were toll roads. Now local governments do capital improvements, which is > > things like widening and repaving, etc. The ONLY new roads are federal, > > which are built by certain contractors and are built where certain > > developers and certain contributors want them. The federal interstate > > system is what has led to "urban sprawl", led to the decline of railroads, > > and nearly destroyed the fledgling airline system (which never rebounded > > until the deregulation of the early eighties). > > > > 2. Caring for the sick: When I was a kid, doctors were so plentiful, they > > had to make house calls to keep their customers. EVERYBODY could afford a > > doctor, as they were cheap and there were numerous charitable clinics and > > hospitals. With the advent of the patronage laden Medicare and Medicaid > > programs, it became too expensive for doctors to provide for the poor. And > > don't forget that medical schools are being closed throughout the US. Not > > because of a lack of need, but because bureaucrats use the idea that there > > are too many doctors if they can't afford to spend the time and money to > > fill out government forms. Hence, the cost of medical care will go up, > > increasing the perceived need for the same bureaucratic programs that > > caused > > the problems to begin with! > > > > 3. Treaties and defense: I don't know anybody that opposes treaties, > > though there should be little need if we aren't stumbling around the world > > like a bull in a china shop. And most of our defense needs could eaily be > > met without a standing army (it is against the Constitution, anyway) or a > > "blue water" navy. A coastal navy should be sufficient. We currently have > > troops in 170+ countries, some of which we will never recognize. These > > troops can be considered "pop-up" targets, in the way of local civil > > unrest > > or regional disputes we will never understand. > > > > 4. Education: The government school system was set up in the late 1800's, > > mainly to keep Roman Catholic children from learning and practicing their > > form of worship. In those early years, prayer was required, but a child > > could not "cross" himself. Heaven help the child with a Native American > > faith or the Jewish child. Nobody on this list is opposed to education. My > > own kids could read and write before they ever started school, and they > > both > > spent the next fourteen or fifteen years bored. They both graduated early. > > FWIW, I only sent my kids to school because I was a very low income single > > parent that HAD to work and I needed a cheap baby sitter. This was a > > mistake because they were indoctrinated with a pro military, pro democrat > > party,pro Gaia theology. Not to mention the bad habits they learned from > > their peers. > > > > > > > Now please, don't give me any theory BS....like it should be this or is > > > should not be that....just tell me how a Libertarian President, should > > one > > > ever be elected, do these things? > > > > > > It seems to be the weak link in your entire platform. > > > > > > > Now that isn't theory or BS. Just plain common sense. > > > > While we are at it, do you support or oppose the patronage laden TSA? The > > agency that "provides" security at airports? The agency that provides any > > carnie with a republican pedigree (and a certain flavor of urine) a good > > government job and who's job appears to be to fondle our loved ones? > > > > > > PEACE > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > (614) 891-8841 > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************* > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > ******************************************************************* > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > It is time to do something about all this! > > ******************************************************************* > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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