Here's what I notice about you John. No matter the quality of
response to your posts, you tend to make that complaint. Steve's
response was superb!
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Here is what I notice...
When I have asked direct questions, you folks have not once come
up with any
direct answers. Instead you deny the worth of the question, thus
attacking
the messenger, or give me jargon or theory.
If you care to just answer the question that would be great. So
far all you
folks are convincing me of is that you are in the same ballpark
as
neoconservatives and have given no thought to the outcomes of
your
proposals.
Ans Steve, you talk like every other typical politician I have
come across.
On 7/3/06, steven linnabary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<john.stroebel%40gmail.com>
> >
>
> > OK Stephen, let's leave all that aside for a moment. Tell me
this: how
> do
> > you propose running this country, building highways, caring
for the
> sick,
> > keeping our treaties and agreements and providing or the
national
> > defence....and education the population without taxing the
citizens?
> >
>
> OK, John.
>
> First, let's get one thing out of the way. NO government
program, not a
> single one, exists to "help the people". Every single one is
simply used
> for patronage by the criminals in charge. Building highways is
payback to
> CERTAIN contractors that made large enough contributions to
gain the work.
>
> Same goes for helping the poor. While any person with a low
enough
> provable
> income might qualify, the PURPOSE of the program is for the
patronage the
> programs provide. And patronage is provable with FEC records.
ALL federal
> employees are hired based on their contributions to CERTAIN
candidates,
> and
> the flavor of their urine.
>
> If you think I am wrong, just take the amount of money spent on
welfare
> (or
> any other government program), divide by the number of people
"served",
> and
> you will find that amount is mind boggling. Reagan, as bad as
he was,
> stated when he ran the first time that each welfare recipient's
share was
> something in the neighborhood of $70,000 each. The problem is
that that
> money gets laundered through tens of thousands of bureaucrats.
And it has
> only gotten worse in the past twentyfive years.
>
> Now, to your questions:
> 1. Building highways: In OHIO, the government rarely, if ever,
builds
> roads. New roads are always built by developers. Even the
earliest roads,
> were toll roads. Now local governments do capital improvements,
which is
> things like widening and repaving, etc. The ONLY new roads are
federal,
> which are built by certain contractors and are built where
certain
> developers and certain contributors want them. The federal
interstate
> system is what has led to "urban sprawl", led to the decline of
railroads,
> and nearly destroyed the fledgling airline system (which never
rebounded
> until the deregulation of the early eighties).
>
> 2. Caring for the sick: When I was a kid, doctors were so
plentiful, they
> had to make house calls to keep their customers. EVERYBODY
could afford a
> doctor, as they were cheap and there were numerous charitable
clinics and
> hospitals. With the advent of the patronage laden Medicare and
Medicaid
> programs, it became too expensive for doctors to provide for
the poor. And
> don't forget that medical schools are being closed throughout
the US. Not
> because of a lack of need, but because bureaucrats use the idea
that there
> are too many doctors if they can't afford to spend the time and
money to
> fill out government forms. Hence, the cost of medical care will
go up,
> increasing the perceived need for the same bureaucratic
programs that
> caused
> the problems to begin with!
>
> 3. Treaties and defense: I don't know anybody that opposes
treaties,
> though there should be little need if we aren't stumbling
around the world
> like a bull in a china shop. And most of our defense needs
could eaily be
> met without a standing army (it is against the Constitution,
anyway) or a
> "blue water" navy. A coastal navy should be sufficient. We
currently have
> troops in 170+ countries, some of which we will never
recognize. These
> troops can be considered "pop-up" targets, in the way of local
civil
> unrest
> or regional disputes we will never understand.
>
> 4. Education: The government school system was set up in the
late 1800's,
> mainly to keep Roman Catholic children from learning and
practicing their
> form of worship. In those early years, prayer was required, but
a child
> could not "cross" himself. Heaven help the child with a Native
American
> faith or the Jewish child. Nobody on this list is opposed to
education. My
> own kids could read and write before they ever started school,
and they
> both
> spent the next fourteen or fifteen years bored. They both
graduated early.
> FWIW, I only sent my kids to school because I was a very low
income single
> parent that HAD to work and I needed a cheap baby sitter. This
was a
> mistake because they were indoctrinated with a pro military,
pro democrat
> party,pro Gaia theology. Not to mention the bad habits they
learned from
> their peers.
>
>
> > Now please, don't give me any theory BS....like it should be
this or is
> > should not be that....just tell me how a Libertarian
President, should
> one
> > ever be elected, do these things?
> >
> > It seems to be the weak link in your entire platform.
> >
>
> Now that isn't theory or BS. Just plain common sense.
>
> While we are at it, do you support or oppose the patronage
laden TSA? The
> agency that "provides" security at airports? The agency that
provides any
> carnie with a republican pedigree (and a certain flavor of
urine) a good
> government job and who's job appears to be to fondle our loved
ones?
>
>
> PEACE
> Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer
> Franklin County Libertarian Party
> (614) 891-8841
> P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115
>
> "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent
revolution
> inevitable" John F. Kennedy
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