The polygamous bin Laden family is quite large, and I am unaware of any bin Ladens (beyond one of Osama's sons) who are involved in the militant Islamist cause. The FBI has authority mostly limited to the US, so if bin Laden is not on the most wanted list, it could be due to the fact that bin Laden is not in the US.
The dysfunctional culture and corrupt political system of Saudi Arabia are complicit in Islamist terrorism. You can say that about most Arab countries, as well as Pakistan and Iran. The US government has chosen to work with those leaders so willing. The government of Saudi Arabia is one of those. However, if you'd like to nuke Mecca and Medina, I won't stand in your way. Just as I see some staunch critics of Christianity and Judaism here, you can accurately label me a critic of Islam. It is false and harmful. I refuse to entertain 9/11 conspiracy theories. I've read them, and they are all easily-refuted. The Constitution is something dear to my heart. If we could get the government to interpret it properly, we would have a highly (though imperfect) libertarian system. The damage, however, started long before Bush. While I don't like the Patriot Act, TSA, and other police state acts of recent years, those don't affect me personally nearly as much as the abuses done over the years by the leftists. I pay for those and witness the damage done every day. Those welfare state and nanny state programs started growing fast under FDR and again under LBJ. One additional note: You say "Islamics," while I say "Islamists." My term is limited to those Muslims who advocate an authoritarian system of government based on the Koran and run by theocrats. While I am critical of Islam as a faith, I believe most Muslims are not Islamists. From: goat! Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror Except even by your logic, the threat didn't originated from Iraq or even Afghanistan (Bin Laden isn't even on the FBI's most wanted list for doing 911, and the government allowed the Laden family to fly out when no other planes were flying right after 911, even while Bush was saying it was Bin Laden that did it), it originated from Saudi Arabia, and that is where we are not only at already, but this administration has moved all their biz there too, and are very cozy with them. So why didn't "we" take out Saudi Arabia since that is where the threat came from? You really need to figure out that 911 was a psyops for your "heroes" the neocons, to stage a coup here, and steal or control most the Arab world, and the garbage that they have been dumping into your and everybody else's head that believe as you do because of it, is just that, garbage, including that the Islamics are any more of a threat then any other group. If it was Christians over there in that area that the ptb wished to steal from Christians, they could make them look just as bad if not worse then the Islamics. In fact, most the the Islamics they hold up as being so big and bad are either ADL that have "converted" (like the one in NY) or have been on "our" payrolls for years (like since we have been using them against the Russians in Afghanistan's and anywhere else in the world we wish to use them as a proxy without getting our hands dirty, but that has always been the SOP of this faction, that is to use and establish the worse governments, while tearing down the good ones, as there is more money and control in destruction, then in peace, for them, or at least they think so), and the only war against terror is against us the people and others who will not go alone with the ptb's NWO. It hasn't been the Islamics who have ruined the economy and turned the Constitution into "just a god damn piece of paper." It has been this administration. And remember why this admin said the terrorist attacked us? Because they hate our freedoms. Well that much is true from the results of what this admin did (that is make the constitution toilet paper), but it seems we either do negotiate with terrorist or the REAL terrorist are somebody other then we are being told they are. And since crime is now terror, and we are all "criminals", that means the war on terror is against us the people and the REAL terrorist are the neocons and their ilk (no matter what party or they call themselves). WAKE UP! For god's sake stop getting your news from fox and other neocon sources, they and others are paid billions of dollars to give you your screwed up views from the "US" government and the best PR firms money can buy so they can make you a slave or dead, while you bleat for it. The real threat has always been the bankers, who the neocons are agents of (though Hillary and a very lot of other factions are also agents, because the bankers can buy all sides, since they can print money out of nothing but paper or make it out of electrons), and it was exactly this same faction of bankers / corporatist that we have been fighting since the war for independence. They are more of a threat then the Islamics (except the ones the neocons are partners with and where the supposed hijackers came from, as I said, Saudi Arabia) could ever hope to be. Take it for what it is worth, as unlike you, I can document what I say (and all of history screams it), and know it is much more so then your fantasy you have internalized, though you certainly aren't alone, but until we all start to figure out what is really going on, there is no way we are going to be able to stop it, and will continue to run in circles biting our own asses, which is after all, the best of the Art of War teaches, to get your enemies (us, free humanity) to kill each other and not make a fight of it at all against the real enemy. It is up to you, keep being a rube, or figure out what reality really is, so we can at least start fighting the real enemy. Goat Bob Giramma wrote: > You have chosen a portion of my statements that excludes the "life, liberty, > and property" qualifier on my definition of "interests of Americans," > although that may have been in another response within this threat. Anyway, I > would oppose a "war for oil," if that's what I believed were being fought. I > do not believe that, however. > > Islamist attacks on individual Americans and their property originate outside > the US. The country is highly unlikely to be invaded, meaning any military > action is likely to require action overseas. The risk of invasion would only > occur if the US military disarmed and shut down. > > Does your disapproval of a collective US military force require that > individual Americans affected by foreign-originated Islamist attacks hire > their own hit men to retaliate? Does the mafia make house calls to caves in > Afghanistan? Or what do you propose? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
