Linux-Misc Digest #356, Volume #18 Sat, 26 Dec 98 12:13:13 EST
Contents:
Not a valid block device? ("Teo Chun Lip")
Re: Does Linux support plug & play ("Thomas F. Ewald")
ghjk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anti-Linux FUD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Tim Kelley)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does Linux support plug & play (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Does Linux support plug & play (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Modem of the Presario 1238 ("Javier Minero")
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Anthony Ord)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Anthony Ord)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Anthony Ord)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Anthony Ord)
Re: Modem of the Presario 1238 (Rob Clark)
Re: Not a valid block device? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Ed Young)
Re: Modem of the Presario 1238 (autodata)
Re: Trouble getting GIMP 1.0.2 to compile (Floyd Davidson)
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From: "Teo Chun Lip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Not a valid block device?
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:15:10 +0800
I am tinkling with redhat 5.1 now,win95 is my maain OS as it is much easier
to use.
I have managed to mount the CD-ROM and can access it.
When I try to mount the floppy,the error messege is
not a valid block device
mke2fs <enter>
mount /dev/hd0 /usr/fd0 <enter>
Where have I gone now aand what does the error messege mean
I appreciate help from Linux expert
Thank you
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From: "Thomas F. Ewald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux support plug & play
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:30:44 GMT
Luc De Cock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Pete wrote:
>
> > : Justin Headley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > :> what is wrong with PnP? I think it's one of the greatest things in
the world.
> > : > People don't have to fiddle with stupid jumpers anymore, sometimes
the
> > : > inexperienced ones actually ruining their card in the process, so
they just
> > : > slip it into the slot, and boot up.
>
> Linux supports PnP very well with PCI cards. ISA PnP is possible with the
isapnp and
> pnpdump tool.Luc.
>
Luc:
Sounds interesting and useful. My PnP modem is on COM5 (via WIN95) and
Linux can't find it. Could you
run through a setp-by-step on how to use these utilities, please? Thanks.
Tom
>
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Subject: ghjk
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:32:34 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:28:46 GMT
Let me add my $0.02 of opinion here,
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:42:56 GMT, Anthony Ord wrote these
thought provoking words :
-> >Personally I think they are wonderful, well at least an API is
-> >wonderful.
->
-> What was wrong with the .INI file API?
I don't know if this is related but I have a book here on the 9x/NT
registry that states that the maximum size of an .ini file is 64Kb.
This is why software vendors supplied .ini files of their own before
the registry was designed.
Because there was such a plethora of ini files all over the system
there were hierarchical problems associated with this. If the win.ini
file had a particular setting and an application's .ini file overrode
that setting, who was responsible and where should a system-wide
setting that had priority be made?
The ini files could easily be edited and tampered with by the
inexperienced and mistakes could be made. Security was also an issue.
The registry file size can be up to 40MB and it was made complex on
purpose.
Interesting.......Any comments?
-== Allie ==-
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Allie Martin (Mr.)
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:28:50 -0600
John Allen wrote:
>
> In over three years of post registry Windows usage I have only seen
> a corrupt registry ONCE, and this was caused by a screwy hard disk
> which not long afterwards exited stage left.
Maybe you just don't use it enough, I see corrupt registries in Windows
at least 1 every two - four weeks where I work; we have about 250
machines.
Unless you have some method of locking the users desktops down, you will
be having constant registry failures since they will be installing all
manner of garbage on their systems. Of course this is a security issue
....
Even so, multiply your 1/3 years rate by 75 million windows users = 25
million windows registry failures per year, as opposed to 0 inittab
failures per year :-)
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Orleans, LA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:21 GMT
Let me add my $0.02 of opinion here,
On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:05:59 GMT, Frank Pittel wrote these
thought provoking words :
-> : A gymnast will do one of his "easy" routines that takes him years to
-> : learn and say...ahhh, "that was easy." In relative terms, gymnastics
-> : is not an easy sport....period.
->
-> This all reminds me of when I first started using wordperfect. I still remember
the
-> horror of starting it and having only a blue screen. To make a long story short
I went
-> right out and got a book on how to use wordperfect. At first it seemed that
everytime I
-> wanted to do something I would have to go through the book and look up how.
However after
-> a little while I remembered how to do the things that I use a wordprocessor to
do.
->
-> I have since switched to linux and wordperfect 5.? is unfortunatly a memory.
Although
-> I've got wordperfect for linux. I find that all the menus, buttons, task bars
get in the
-> way.
Ok.
-> Since then I've noticed that when using software with the MS GUI interface I can
start
-> using the software quickly. However I never really get much better at using it.
I work
-> with one hand on the keyboard and the other constantly going between the mouse
and the
-> keyboard. I spend more time undoing then doing and nothing ever comes out
looking the way
-> I wanted. Of course with all the effort I put into making the documents look
just so the
-> actual content becomes less and less important.
You have lost all credibility here. Nothing *ever* comes out the way
you want it to? Why torcher yourself then? Ditch the thing!
-> Back to your story on the gymnist. One of the first things gymnists are taught
to do is
-> the summersault.<SP?> How rewarding would it be if after training for five hours
a day
-> for ten years if those gymnists could still only do summersaults?
When you can do the somersault, your training is finished. No more
training is required. Very bad analogy indeed. A gymnast does not need
to train for 5 hours everyday for 5 yrs to learn how to do that.
Outlook Express, and Netscape mail are e-mail apps that take a short
time to learn. They however lack. versatility. Once you have learnt
how to use their limited feature set and what they cannot do, there is
nothing else to learn. You either stick with their limited function or
find something that better suites your needs. I personally have not
stuck with them. I have tried others and have settled down with what I
think is best for the windows platform, Forte' Agent.
If there is no depth in a particular app which severely limits its
versatility and gets in your way so that nothing ever comes out the
way you want it to, then it usually does not take long to learn,
because there is usually not much to learn in the first place.
-> : To me, you are confusing efficiency with ease of use. For me, B is
-> : more difficult to use and therefore master....., but B is much better
-> : to make the effort to learn because if mastered, it is far more
-> : efficient than A.:-)
->
-> I think you are confusing the two. How could something be efficient to use and
not have a
-> high ease of use? This of course has nothing to do with the initial learning
curve. Does
-> anyone still remember the first time they used WP5.?, vi, emacs? After you
learned how to
-> use them are they still difficult? Are they efficient to use? I have used
programs with
-> a MS type GUI and while it is easy to start using the software. It is difficult
and
-> ineffient to use.
You seem to be on a MS vendetta. Can we keep it out of the argument?
I find practicing surgery quite easy and efficient once I have learnt
it. That's the active term...."once I have learnt it." It is not often
that I hear surgeons saying this. I however see the many individuals
who failed out on the way or could not take the rigourous training
required seething with anger at the arrogance of such a statement.
I have a profession that fits very nicely in the bracket of being easy
when learnt but the road to that appreciation of ease and efficiency
ain't easy.
I am not confusing the two at all. I see them as two separate
attributes to an app. This is why Linux would never have taken off if
learning curve issues were not addressed with respect to it's
installation etc.
Take a look at OS/2 to see what I mean. This is an OS which has sorted
out usability and learning curve issues very well with efficiency and
versatility. Two separate virtues of an app or an OS, both of which
need to be addressed for it to be significantly successful.
-> Learning how to use software is done once. For software I use a lot I would
rather a
-> longer learning curve if it meant easier and more efficient use later.
I prefer that as well.:-)
-> While I think we can all agree that dos edit was easier to learn to use then vi
or emacs
-> how many of us would rather be using edit then vi or emacs? While the learning
curve for
-> vi is steeper and longer. It is much easier and more efficient to use vi.
Absolutely.
Many however seem to be willing to sacrifice some of that wonderful
efficiency to find something with a more palatable learning curve but
less efficiency.
-> After the initial learning curve efficient to use and easy to use are the same
thing.
Technically sound statement but one which seems to belittle the issue
of the learning curve.
You go ahead and develop your app that is very hard to learn but
efficient to use at the arduous end of that learning curve and see how
many people buy it!
You will be in for a shock.
-> When using WP5.? it is both easier and more efficient to use the <alt>/<ctrl>+key
-> combination then muddling through all the task bars, pull down menus, menus with
menus,
-> etc of the later versions.
It's a hell of a thing when you get used to something and have to
adopt to something else. Culture shock perhaps?
I am not saying that there is no truth to what you are saying but I
get a lot of work done with wordperfect 6.2 and you have me wondering
how the hell I managed to do it in the first place? Maybe I wasted a
colossal amount of time doing it with all those menus, macros etc. as
you put it.:-/
Maybe I could have done it more efficiently with WP5 but somehow I do
not think so. I know many veterans who used to use WP5 and have not
*really* missed it. They loved it's simplicity (yes, they say it was a
lot simpler) but all seem to prefer WP7's richer feature base. <sigh>
It's good to listen to many opinions rather than one, it encourages
you to try different things but what's even more important, is that
after trying the options, you go with what *you* like best, not what
others say is good for you.
-> Wouldn't it make more sense in the long run to use a tool that didn't waste your
time
-> with ease of learning?
Oh yes.:-)
I see you have been missing the point of our discussion.
My point is that the learning curve involved in mastering an
application is a very important aspect of making that particular app a
winner instead of just putting all the eggs in the basket of
efficiency with no real concern about how long it takes to achieve and
master that level of efficiency.
Linux in it's early stages was just efficiency based. I can stake a
big bet that it would be no microsoft threat in that state. It's only
now, when the usability and learning curve issues are being ironed
out, that linux can become a threat to *anything* out there.
-== Allie ==-
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Allie Martin (Mr.)
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Does Linux support plug & play
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:17:45 -0600
Thomas F. Ewald wrote:
> Luc:
> Sounds interesting and useful. My PnP modem is on COM5 (via WIN95) and
> Linux can't find it. Could you
> run through a setp-by-step on how to use these utilities, please? Thanks.
>
> Tom
I had that problem with my Sony VAIO. Redirected it to COM4 and got 8
bit mono on some programs, but not all. Could be that my modem was a
winmodem and required code from the M$ OS to operate in the 16 bit
mode. Anyway,I download the OSS sound software from 4front and
installed it. Works perfectly now.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Does Linux support plug & play
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:24:00 -0600
Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote:
>
> Thomas F. Ewald wrote:
> > Luc:
> > Sounds interesting and useful. My PnP modem is on COM5 (via WIN95) and
> > Linux can't find it. Could you
> > run through a setp-by-step on how to use these utilities, please? Thanks.
> >
> > Tom
>
> I had that problem with my Sony VAIO. Redirected it to COM4 and got 8
> bit mono on some programs, but not all. Could be that my modem was a
> winmodem and required code from the M$ OS to operate in the 16 bit
> mode. Anyway,I download the OSS sound software from 4front and
> installed it. Works perfectly now.
I forgot to say that besides COM5 my modem also used COM10, which
USUALLY marks it as a Winmodem.
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From: "Javier Minero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem of the Presario 1238
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:33:04 -0600
autodata escribi� en mensaje <7630km$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Javier Minero wrote:
>
>> Hi out there,
>>
>> Just got for Christmas a little laptop (Presario 1238) and I am
planning
>> to install Linux on it. I understand that the video controller (NeoMagic)
is
>> supported (at least on Beta version). The only problem I will have is the
>> modem, I suspect.
>>
>> Is there any way to know for sure under win 95/98 if the modem that
comes
>> along with this machine is a Winmodem (by looking at the BIOS /
>> Configuration properties of 95/98)?
>>
>> Before hand, thanks
>>
>> Javier Minero
>
>Javier
>
>*Ordinarily* WinModems will be at a higher IRQ (11 for example) when you
look
>at their properties in the Windows Control Panel. I would surprised if the
>modem in your Presario is not a WinModem.
>
>Good luck
>
>G Jensen
>
>
Well, so far it does not look that bad, the IRQ which my modem hangs to is
number 3, but I guess this is not conclusive evidence. I will install Linux
and hope for the best.
Javier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:42:56 GMT
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:38:29 +0000, John Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Anthony Ord wrote:
>> because it is being written to all the time. When was the last time
>> anyone had a read-only filesystem die on them? (There will be someone
>> - step forward and grab your 15 minutes of fame ;-)
Is anybody there? Has it happened to *anyone*? Step up and grab your
15 minutes of flame! [sic]
>In over three years of post registry Windows usage I have only seen
>a corrupt registry ONCE, and this was caused by a screwy hard disk
>which not long afterwards exited stage left.
I approximately 11 years of autoexec.bat/config.sys usage, I have
never seen them become corrupted for any reason whatsoever. In 8 years
of win.ini/system.ini usage, I have never seen them become corrupted
for whatever reason. In 4 years of registry usage, I have seen them
become corrupt about 12 times. It even happened to me once (not so
long ago).
>Also just because Microsoft's registry is less than stellar in the
>reliability stakes, does not mean that registries are a bad idea per se.
We'll just have to agree to disagree here. I agree M$'s implementation
is a bit on the crap side as well, but I do believe that the registry
is "broken as designed."
Let's face it, if a JPEG of Rhona Mitra holding a snake while in the
middle of a clothing crisis suddenly appeared in the middle of my
config.sys,
a. I would notice it.
b. I could get rid of it.
c. Without damaging my startup commands.
d. I'd still get to keep the picture too.
If that happened to my registry, I doubt I'd notice the difference. It
certainly would be difficult to fix.
>Personally I think they are wonderful, well at least an API is
>wonderful.
What was wrong with the .INI file API?
Regards
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:43:01 GMT
On 23 Dec 1998 11:45:17 +0100, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) writes:
>
>> Is that what you're avocating? Inn should use one biiiigggggg file for
>> the messages?
>
>Looked at MS Exchange lately? Tried backing it up?
Nope. Nope. Is it bad?
>> What was wrong with
>
>> LPSTR GetIniKeyString(File, Section, Key, Buf, sizeof(Buf)) ??
>
>> It did *almost* everything right
>
>No wonder MS deprecated it. :-) One drawback was figuring out which
>.ini file values were read from. A truss/strace would have solved
>that of course.
Open up the .EXE file in write and search for 'INI'.
>Another (I may be wrong on this) is the lack of hierarchical
>storage.
It was flat and didn't allow more than one level down, but this is a
good thing IMHO. It stops rampant complexity. 'Hey PHB - look at this
configuration file! It goes twenty layers deep!! I am soooo smart!!!'
>But MS prefers the One Big Lump approach - Unix is the Sum
>of Little Parts.
>
>> Amen. Though even a DOS that understood NTFS, would be enough to
>> write/retrieve data from ASCII config files. Not a registry though.
>
>Or Linux from a floppy, with the NTFS module loaded in. :-)
That's a bit of overkill. You could use CP/M to edit a text file -
with NTFS support of course.
>~kzm
Regards
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:43:03 GMT
<snip>
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:47:38 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter
Koehlmann) wrote:
>My job is to write programs. AND later on also trying to
>find out, why customers can't run them. About 99% of all
>problems are from WINDOWS 9x systems, some from NT, until now
>NONE from WIN-OS/2. A LOT of those problems could be traced to
>this shitty registry, which gets corrupted faster than you can
>spell it. BG got to be shot on sight for doing this crap !
Agreed. Absolutely.
Regards
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:42:59 GMT
On 23 Dec 1998 11:36:42 +0100, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) writes:
>
>> A while ago I did a comparison of vulnerable configuration files
>> between NT and Linux. I said that possibly inittab was the only file
>> that could be corrupted which would prevent the system from booting.
>
>Okay, how about /boot/vmlinuz? Hardly a configuration file, but if
>/boot is read-write, and something horrible happens to the driver
If something shags the file that the kernel is in, then the OS on that
machine is dead, no matter what the OS actually is.
That's what floppies are for.
>- or
>more likely, lightning strikes your computer, it could happen. :-)
If lightning struck my computer, I would need a new window, new
curtains, a new desk, and I would be picking solidfied metal out of
the carpet. The fact that it didn't boot, would be the least of my
troubles. ;-)
>> Try 'linux single init=/bin/bash'. Not mentioning an option
>> of booting into ramdisk and fixing your disk from there.
>
>Of course, there are plenty of ways of fixing it. Fixing anything,
>even the registry. The difference is, any file in /etc can be fixed
>with simple tools, and the rest of the system, including applications,
>is untouched. Anything else would fall in the "broken by design"
>cathegory.
>
>(I must admit I *have* edited inittab - to get the computer to poweroff
>on the C-A-D three finger salute. Few normal users, if they exist,
>would have to, though.)
I edited mine so it halted on ^AltDel, rather than rebooted.
>~kzm
Regards
Anthony
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem of the Presario 1238
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:44:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Javier Minero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Just got for Christmas a little laptop (Presario 1238) and I am
[..]
>>> Is there any way to know for sure under win 95/98 if the modem that
>comes
>>> along with this machine is a Winmodem (by looking at the BIOS /
[..]
>Well, so far it does not look that bad, the IRQ which my modem hangs to is
>number 3, but I guess this is not conclusive evidence. I will install Linux
>and hope for the best.
I looked through Compaq's Presario help pages and found that IRQ 3 is the
factory setting for the K-56.0 modem in the Presario 1238 notebook, but
couldn't find and information on the modem except the part number
(138659-001 US version, 138610-001 International version).
http://www.compaq.com/athome/support/msgs/1230-50/boards.html
If you look at this page:
http://www.compaq.com/athome/presariohelp/us/MODEMS/index.html
you won't find a listing for "K-56.0," but all the modems listed are
"controllerless," i.e. Windows modems.
So, I wish you luck, but it doesn't look good. You may want to csll
Compaq and ask them about the modem card.
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Not a valid block device?
Date: 26 Dec 1998 16:13:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[posted and emailed]
Teo Chun Lip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am tinkling with redhat 5.1 now,win95 is my maain OS as it is much easier
>to use.
>
>I have managed to mount the CD-ROM and can access it.
>
>When I try to mount the floppy,the error messege is
>not a valid block device
>
>mke2fs <enter>
>mount /dev/hd0 /usr/fd0 <enter>
>
>Where have I gone now aand what does the error messege mean
Assuming you have a preformatted floppy disk and want to put
an ext2 filesystem on it,
mke2fs /dev/fd0
will do that. You can also leave it with the msdos filesystem
formatting. In either case to mount it you can do a number of
different things. One is to just mount it the long way:
mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
Which will mount the dos formatted disk at /mnt. You can change
that "msdos" to "ext2" for the ext2 formatted disk. You can simplify
that considerably by making an entry in your /etc/fstab file for
/dev/fd0. Here is a set of entries, including not only the floppy
but a cdrom too:
#
# non auto mount local file systems
#
/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt msdos noauto,user 0 0
With an entry for /dev/fd0 in /etc/fstab, all you need to do
is "mount /dev/fd0". However, note that the above example is
for an "msdos" filesystem, not for an ext2 file system. What
I have done is put a set of three aliases into my .bashrc file:
alias m0='mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt'
alias e0='mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt'
alias u='umount /mnt'
With the first two I can mount either type of floppy filesystem,
and with the third I can unmount either type. (The above example
can be expanded for other devices, such as a second floppy or a
CDROM quite easily.)
Floyd
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: 26 Dec 1998 16:55:47 GMT
Kenneth Holmes wrote:
>
> This something I thought of that is really beginning to bother me. The
> goal of the Open Source movement is to have all software become open
> source to be refined by programmers all over the world. This means that
> companies no longer have rights to their software and can make money by
> giving support, manuals, etc. for the software. But if the open source
> movement reaches its goals this means that all software is built by
> hobbyists who enjoy writing software on their spare time. This means
> that their is no longer a need to hire programmers. Will programming
> become a hobby of what used to be a paying occupation? Is this what the
> Open Source movement is for? Please, someone find a flaw in my reasoning
> so that I may put my mind to rest.
In industry OSS only gives you a good start. Different businesses have
different needs. Programmers are required to modify applications to fit a
business well.
There are times when new programs are required. Even if they become OSS someone
has to pay for them to be started. After all businesses have needs which have
to be satisfied...
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From: autodata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem of the Presario 1238
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:52:21 -0600
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Javier Minero wrote:
> Hi out there,
>
> Just got for Christmas a little laptop (Presario 1238) and I am planning
> to install Linux on it. I understand that the video controller (NeoMagic) is
> supported (at least on Beta version). The only problem I will have is the
> modem, I suspect.
>
> Is there any way to know for sure under win 95/98 if the modem that comes
> along with this machine is a Winmodem (by looking at the BIOS /
> Configuration properties of 95/98)?
>
> Before hand, thanks
>
> Javier Minero
Javier
*Ordinarily* WinModems will be at a higher IRQ (11 for example) when you look
at their properties in the Windows Control Panel. I would surprised if the
modem in your Presario is not a WinModem.
Good luck
G Jensen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble getting GIMP 1.0.2 to compile
Date: 26 Dec 1998 15:56:53 GMT
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Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I'm having some problems getting the GIMP to compile on my system. I'm
>running RH 5.1. I downloaded the gimp-1.0.2.tar.gz and
>gimp-data-extras-1.0.0.tar.gz. Redhat has GTK+ 1.0.2 already installed
Find a copy of GTK+-1.0.6 and install it. There is a bug in one
of the makefiles though, in glib/Makefile it came up defining as
"INSTALL = ../" which bombs every time. I never did look to see
what is in the configure scripts that is causing that to happen.
Just change it to be:
INSTALL = /usr/bin/ginstall -c
and everything will work.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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