Linux-Misc Digest #48, Volume #19 Mon, 15 Feb 99 11:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: simple shell script q? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RE Linux Suxx - Sorry (David Goldstein)
Re: set up small word-processing system (Rod Smith)
Linux + motherboard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Christopher B. Browne)
2D/3D CAD for Linux ("Leos Zaplatilek")
Re: The Question for Linux evnironment Application devolpement (Marco Anglesio)
Re: KDE stops cause of missing ibstdc++.so.2.9 (Ulrich 'Anavel Gato' Massamba)
[?] dvips and Red Hat Linux 5.2 (Francisco Cribari)
Re: logging in with your thumb (humor) (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Bill Vermillion)
how to turn a Win95 disk into a linux disk??? (Cameron Fraser)
Re: Small version of Linux (Alan Gauld)
Re: WANTED: Quality Control Info. (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: simple shell script q?
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:59:44 GMT
In article <7a8thu$6gi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> just type what you want:
>
> echo "1st line
> 2nd line"
>
> When you hit the enter key in the first line, it will drop you to your second
> prompt (whatever is in PS2). Try it, it works.
Alternatively use the -e option with echo to get it to use C style escape
sequences.
Then
echo -e "1st line\n2nd line"
will work fine.
Rich
>
> In article <7a2jio$5ut$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks) wrote:
> >
> > what is the newline sequence in a shell script?
> >
> > eg
> >
> > echo "1st line\n2nd line"
> >
> > I'm trying to do something like the following, but in a single statement.
> >
> > echo "1st line"
> > echo "2nd line"
> >
> > It *doesn't* seem to be \n (which simply prints an 'n')
> >
> > FWIW - I've been browsing O'Reilly's "Learning the BASH Shell"
> > for the last half hour or so and can't find an answer.
> >
> > Feeling Stupid & TIA
> > Charlie Mulks
> >
> >
>
> Jason Baugher
> Extreme Systems Consulting
> Systems Administration, Custom Programming
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:09:36 GMT
How about you follow newsgroup etiquette you tossers.
This is (alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc) NOT
alt.lets.argue.about.whether.Bill.should.go.
I am getting really pissed with having to troll through political bullshit
when looking for answers to linux related questions. I am sure that other
international linux users will feel the same, and will also be intelligent
enough to find the corresponding newgroups to read 'worthwhile' opinions
about Bill and his cigars, should they wish to do so. I for one don't give a
toss.
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From: David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RE Linux Suxx - Sorry
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:02:02 -0700
softalk wrote:
>
> Firstly to all the kind messages of support thank you very much for your
> advice. To the (smug reply's . Go screw your kernel.
> The end result.. I must admit I have decided to play with Linux for a while
> longer. After all I don't look on it anymore as an operating syspem but a
> free text based adventure game (just like the old days), but I scrapped the
> redHat 5.1 and am about to install SUSE). But my conclusion is that to
> advise companies to use a package which seems to be in permenant early Beta
> just because you hate Microsoft would be folly. Microsoft have nothing to
> worry about just yet.
Well, I am glad that yo have decided to stick with Linux. I have
been using SuSE since 5.2 and find it to be a really good distro;
currently, I am using SuSE6.0 and it really rocks.
Without sounding too much like a Linux fanatic, I hope, I would like
to point out that MS Win(anything) is also a permanent beta
application. This is evidenced by the service packs that need to be
installed on a fairly regular basis. At least with Linux, I know that
much of the software that I use is considered beta and it did not cost
me anything to try the stuff out. My experience has been that the
software is usually very stabil. By the way, Sendmail is installed
automatically when you install SuSE (probably true for RH, too) so, I am
not really sure what kind of problem you are having there.
>
> Best Regards & Thank you again for you advice.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best Regards to you, too :)
David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: set up small word-processing system
Date: 15 Feb 1999 13:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams) writes:
>
> btw, I've tried several distributions including Slackware 3.6, Red Hat
> 5.2, and SuSE 5.3, and none of their install programs will run in
> 4meg. Winblows 3.1 is perfectly happy in 4meg along with MS-Word.
> Not fast, but fully functional, as good or better than any
> word-processing software I've come across under Linux to date.
>
> Pretty sad if you ask me.
...
> Looks like I'll scrounge a few simms, and run Win95 in 32 meg for this
> system. Then it looks like my next Linux project is to read the
> kernel source and find out what's wasting so much store. Or maybe
> it's time for me to learn x86 assembler.
I don't think it's the kernel per se that's the problem; it's the fact
that the installers themselves have become so big (part of this being the
ton of drivers that must be included on the installer floppies, but that
never get loaded on any given system). The size of the installer floppies
is important because the installers (at least Red Hat, and I'm assuming
the others) load the contents of the floppies into a RAM disk in order to
improve access time.
For Red Hat 5.2 specifically, there's a file called initrd.img on the boot
floppy. This is actually a gzipped ext2-format image file containing the
base Linux system. When ungzipped, it's 2MB in size -- half of the 4MB
you've got. Then there's the kernel itself, the install programs, etc.,
and all of this without virtual memory, so that 4MB is a HARD limit at
install time.
My hunch is that these distributions would work in 4MB if you were to
install them with 8MB (say, if you could temporarily gut some other
machine for the RAM). Of course, 4MB still isn't a whole heckuva lot if
you intend to run X and any major X applications.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux + motherboard
Date: 15 Feb 1999 13:21:02 GMT
Hi,
Firstly, sorry if this post is inappropriate, but here goes. I have a 3
year old MESH machine at home which dual boots w98 and RH 5.2. I have always
had a problem with this machine running X windows, even with my original
slackware distribution. After an average of about 15 mins, the keyboard +
mouse stop responding completely and I have no option but to
reboot. This however has never happened on any version of MS windows I have
had on the same machine over the same period of time.A year ago I decided
to replace all of the components on the mb. The original P75 now has an
Evergreen PR180, the 8M ram now replaced with 48M EDO and the original hdds
are no longer present. A few months ago I replaced the original 1M diamond
stealth video 2001 card with a Diamond 3D 2000 pro card (4M). The only
original card left on the machine is the sound card, (genuine SB 16).
This however has not cured the problem with X. I can only conclude
that the mother board itself is not up to the job. Is this a reasonable
assumption ? Should I buy a new mb, if yes any reccommendations ? I'm looking
for a super socket 7 (AT) mb. Thanks in advance.
cheers,
vj.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:18:17 GMT
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:29:25 -0800, John Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>I think I have found a few easy steps for the government to restore
>competition:
>1. ban winmodems/other windows only hardware
>2. require that all drivers be released as open source code (or if it is
>windows only..... make ALL specs and source public)
>3. give a tax cut (major) to companies that port their drivers/software
>to non-microsoft OS's.
>4. force m$ to stop threatening the OEM's about increasing the price 3x
>if they install a non-megalosoft OS.
None of these make particularly good law.
The harder, but more likely to survive legal challenge, step, would be
to require that government departments implement and use free software
systems.
That is an answer that is clearly not vindictive against one company,
and which is *far* more positive for free software.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: "Leos Zaplatilek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2D/3D CAD for Linux
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:09:03 +0100
If you are looking for Mechanical CAD for Linux try www.varicad.com
New version VariCAD r. 7.0-1.6 et www.varicad.com/download.htm
lz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: The Question for Linux evnironment Application devolpement
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:38:04 GMT
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:26:23 +0000, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(X)WPE is here.
>Code Crusader is partly here.
>CodeWarrior is coming.
Don't forget CodeForge. Which is here, which I use (the multiple language
support sold me), and which has both a commercial and a free (gratis, not
libre) version.
The commercial version is well worth buying (at $50), btw. FWIW.
marco
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From: Ulrich 'Anavel Gato' Massamba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: KDE stops cause of missing ibstdc++.so.2.9
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:18:14 +0100
Piot Lee wrote:
>
> The error message I got was:
> can't load library 'libstdc++.so.2.9'
> after taht I wanted to compile the KDE 1.1 Where can I get the
> 'libstdc++.so.2.9'??
> Or what else can I do (I have Slakware 3.6, Kernel 2.2.1)
I encounter this error message compiling c++ stuffs, i just resolve the
problem by adding "-L/usr/lib -lstdc++" on the makefile.
This library come with c++ compiler.
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Homepage: http://inferno.cs.univ-paris8.fr/~anavel
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRC: paris.fr.eu.kewl.org:6667
Japanimation, IRC, Free OS, Star Trek, Sliders ...
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From: Francisco Cribari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [?] dvips and Red Hat Linux 5.2
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:54:06 -0600
I am running Red Hat Linux 5.2 on a i686 box. I have noticed that
dvips by default uses A4 size, and I would like to know what
exactly I have to change in the config.ps file (included below)
so that it uses letter size paper by default. Thanks. FC.
----- config.ps ------
% Thomas Esser, 1998, public domain.
%
% teTeX's config.ps.
%
% Memory available.
m 1000000
% How to print.
% o |lpr
% default resolution
D 600
X 600
Y 600
M ljfour
% Also look for this list of resolutions.
R 300 600
% The printer offsets the output by this much.
O 0pt,0pt
% Compress fonts. PS files are much more compact, but can sometimes
% cause trouble.
Z
p acrobat.map
p +lw35extra.map
p +charter.map
p +omega.map
p +utopia.map
p +xypic.map
@ A4size 210mm 297mm
@+ %%PaperSize: A4
@ letterSize 8.5in 11in
@ letter 8.5in 11in
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Letter
@+ letter
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ legal 8.5in 14in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Legal
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Legal
@+ legal
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ ledger 17in 11in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Ledger
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Ledger
@+ ledger
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ tabloid 11in 17in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Tabloid
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Tabloid
@+ 11x17
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ A4 210mm 297mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: A4
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: A4
@+ a4
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ A3 297mm 420mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: A3
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: A3
@+ a3
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ B5 176mm 250mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: B5
@+ %%PaperSize: B5
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: logging in with your thumb (humor)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:35:38 -0600
Michael Powe wrote:
>
"gus" == gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
gus> [snip]
>> :> Won't you need his thumb as well? :> :> Norman
>>
>> : No, only what any cracker would use to break into this
>> device: a thumb : print from anything he has recently touched.
>>
>> I'm afraid that wouldn't work because that would give the
>> reverse image of his thumb print. Touche :-)
I can see you have no experience working with fingerprints! Lifting a
print is not like taking a photograph.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:53:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John Fieber wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Shaun Rowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Goerzen) writes:
>> >> Just how is FreeBSD easier to use?
>> > For me it is easier to use because it seems more logical.
>> > Notice that this is a matter of opinion. IMO FreeBSD is easier
>> > to use because:
>> > 1. FreeBSD handbook and website. I have my handbook that
>> > contains most of the information I need, along with the FAQ.
>> > For me it is more centralized and up to date than LDP, ect.
Well the standard BSD documents work quite well for the free BSD
variants "Free", "Open" and "Net". Many of the FBSD man pages
show the original UCB processed dates in them.
>> On this point, there is a popular conception that Linux is extremely
>> well document and FreeBSD isn't. Having recently begun an evaluation
>> of options for some new servers, I must say that Linux community does
>> better in the tutorial style documents (HOWTOs), but the on-line
>> reference (man pages) are, on the whole, pathetic in each
>> distribution I've looked at. Example: I want to set up a
>> concatenated disk and the manual pages simply say "see the source
>> code". ...
>> Also, so many commands in Linux distributions differ from their
>> counterparts in commercial systems, I can't rely on documentation on
>> other (properly documented) systems or standard sysadmin books...you
>> have to get a Linux book. Contrast that with BSD systems which come
>> from a well established code base that is well document both in the
>> on-line reference and in numerous sysadmin books that nicely cover a
>> variety of Unix systems. Linux occupies such huge amount of
>Hmmmm, I have two points on this line of thought. Before I begin
>let me say that I am a sole IS UNIX System Admin for a campus of
>1,000 people in 3 buildings doing finance, accounting, billing,
>payroll, acquisitions, sales and corp' communications for an int'l
>company with offices in 60 cities. I manage HP's, Linux, SUN's and
>IRIX boxes. I can't speak for BSD as I don't deal with any of those
>boxes, but you mention comparing Linux to commercial UNIX's.
In my opinion in many way the FreeBSD ranks higher on my list than
the HP or Sun. (Only diddled with them) Or the SGI's - which I
have about 6. There are too many deviations from the norm.
However if you understand UNIX, the design and implementations -
then all Unix systems tend to look a lot alike.
>First thought is that I think "Good" documentation is a matter of
>taste. I find Linux to be better documented then all the others
>I work with.
Usenix at one time had all the Berkeley BSD manuals for sale.
When 4.4 came out those manuals were then printed by O'Reilly.
Too bad they are out of print by I have my copy. Five manuals -
about 500 pages each.
>The documentation is written by a bunch of technical writers who
>don't know the difference between IPC and winpopup. They are filled
>with crossrefrences and technical mumbo-jumbo (HP creates their own
>lingo for everything, as does SUN, as does IRIX).
>Linux doc's are written by "real" people who just lay it out,
>they don't use made up tech-jargon if there is a vernacular term
>that makes more sense.
The tech jargon isn't made up. There is only a certain level to
which you can 'dumb down' something before the precise definition
is lost and it becomes "sort of like this" instead of "exactly like
this". There are plenty of people using the OS at it's lower
level who need EXACT documentation.
>There is also a fair amount of consistency
>(relatively speaking) to Linux utils and apps that isn't found in
>the proprietary OS's where it seems that there were 200 programmers
>over the last 6 years who couldn't agree on standard command line
>option parsing, or output layout. So I guess that what "GOOD"
>documentation is depends on the tastes of the reader.
I wholeheartedly agree on that point. As to the BSD there were
certainly more programmers - and it dates back well over 15 years.
You'll note the "Regents.." copyrights everywhere.
>My boss would look at all the HP doc's and say wow, look at how
>pretty and organized! It looks like an encyclopaedia. He would look
>at my /usr/doc directory and my "helptool" command and say that it
>seems so disorganized.
Then that's his problem - probably coming from a paper based
society. You really often do need both the online and the printed
manuals. Evertime I use a highlighter on the display on a man
page, it's in the wrong place for the next man page :-)
>Try "killall" on an HP! However where the
>other UNIX's just seem to use different options,
"killall" is quite often just a script, often in Perl. You can
change it to your liking.
> GNU utils are MUCH more flexible and powerfull
>than their proprietary counterparts. "cpio", "tar", and even
>"mv" are completely quirky and unreliable on HP.
Then that's an HP problem. The first encounter I had with cpio was
on AT&T's Sys V.2 - on an AT&T machine. Don't blame all the Unix
ills on HP. For many things that are great one Unix variant
you can find something that is not quite right.
>I am constantly
>finding more unexpected failures of HP utils that they are saying
>are my fault for expecting the commands to do things that the
>documentation never claims them to be able to do. But let me ask
>you:
>tar cvf - /data1 | gzip -9 > /dev/mt/rmt0
>Just so happens that /data1 has 6GB of data in it, and even gzipped
>it is 3GB. Now everything works fine putting it on tape, no errors
>no problems.... However try to get it off! HP doesn't let it work
>that way, you can't create a single file more than 2GB's and tar
>won't unzip in stream...
That 2GB file-size limit is still in a great many Unix systems.
Do what others have been doing for years when they have LOTS of
data but still have a 2GB limit. Zip the files and tar to tape.
Your method of gziping the entire archive could come up to bite you
if that one archive is bad - eg you could lose it all.
Take the Unix approach - lots of small pieces working together -
instead of the MS approach - put everything in one basket, and if
needed get a bigger basket.
--
Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com
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From: Cameron Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to turn a Win95 disk into a linux disk???
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:21:04 -0500
hey, i have Win95 on hda1 and RedHat 5.1 (2.0.35) on hdb1, and i want to
make both disks linux, is there
a non destructive way of making hda1 a linux partition and moving my
/usr partition over to it? by
non destructive i mean for my existing linux disk, who cares about
windoze..:o)
anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated....thanks
--
Cameron Fraser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Small version of Linux
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:05:48 +0000
Tom Fawcett wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > > I have an old PC with only a 3.5in floppy drive which i would like to
> > > > install linux on, Is there a small version of linux that i'll fit on
> > > > just a few disks? max 20? If so, where can i find it?
> If he's looking for a real Linux *distribution*, in the common sense of the
> term, I don't know of any on floppies.
On my InfoMagic Resource Kit of 1995 I had a Linux distribution
on 6 floppies.
It included X windows and emacs! It installed onto UMSDOS on the
hard disk.
I can't remember the name etc other than that the author was
Spanish.
Alan G.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Quality Control Info.
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:27:46 -0600
"Karsten M. Self" wrote:
>
> Gary Momarison wrote:
> >
> > Anybody got any info or links to info on Quality Control which I can put
> > in Gary's Encyclopedia? It seems that QC gets little consideration in
> > the OSS world. At least when compared to some other worlds I've known.
> >
> > NG responses, please.
> >
> > --
> > Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
> > Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
>
> I'd tend to agree that OSS QC is more concerned with results (working
> code, function, correctness) than with process (CMM, ISO 9000).
>
I wouldn't agree. Do you folks think that the ledgendary stability,
compactness and speed of Linux just happens by accident? Since humans
are not perfect and are not capable of creating bugfree code, bugs are
bound to happen. When they do the OSS model squashes them quickly. One
reason for that is the development method. Either of you two use CVS in
code development? Have you applied patches. Do you even know what a
patch is or why it is used?
And, what "other worlds" are you refering to? The world famous QC from
M$ (which probably slavishly adheres to ISO 9000 docs)?
BTW, "asking" question and then appending a negative comment is just
another form of FUD, similar to those CNN "polls" that ask how good a
job you think a certian politician is doing and then offers only two
kinds of responses: great or fantastic. No bias there....right.
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