Linux-Misc Digest #69, Volume #19 Wed, 17 Feb 99 07:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Kastrup)
HP-380 color printer (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Linux & overclocked CPU (Andy Repton)
Re: X and ATI Rage IIc AGP (Didier Richard)
Re: glib-1.1.15 and gtk+-1.1.15 with RedHat 5.2 (Ralf Lange)
Re: Linux has too many problems ("Mig Killer")
Re: KDE Desktop with Redhat Apollo (Michel Catudal)
Re: gcc vs egcs (Michel Catudal)
Re: 2.2.1 and performance. (Michel Catudal)
Re: 2.2.1 and performance. (Michel Catudal)
TEST (Radix Dej)
Re: Simple Samba question. . . I hope ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
kde: make window symbolsize via keyboard? (Marcus Gastreich)
innd (Gareth R Woolridge)
Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? (Tomi Lind)
Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux? ("Srinivasan, Rajagopalan")
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 17 Feb 1999 11:28:03 +0100
"Sam Felton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Kinkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > Maybe we should all drive busses ?
> >
> > We have about 5% of the worlds population but consume about 40% of
> > it's energy. The CAFE standards were implemented for more than just
> > mileage , we also seem to have major problems with huge gas guzzling
> > monsters polluting the atmosphere. Take a trip to Europe or Asia and
> > you'll see they aren't infatuated with driving behemoth land yachts
> > like we seem to be here.
>
> This statement is highly misleading.
>
> I preface this by saying that I mean no offence to anyone who lives outside
> North America:
>
> With _very_ few exceptions, every place outside the US and Canada that I
> have been, has little or no emission control standards. Take a walkabout in
> Pu Dong in Shanghai, or Oxford Circus in London, and you'll see very quickly
> what I mean.
Europe *has* emission standards that are typically stricter than their
American counterparts. The pollution is just much more apparent
because Europe is *much* more crowded than North America. Compare the
sizes on the maps. Western Europe is a laugh against North America.
But it has more inhabitants.
> How else can you explain the fact that, despite our consumption of
> resources here in North America (for which I make no apologies, we
> paid for them), we produce far less toxic effluent per user than
> other countries of equivalent population density?
It depends on what you call "toxic". One should also keep in mind
that there are not many countries with equivalent population density.
And of course, the effusion per capita in most of these is less than
in America, simply because only a small percentage of people are
"users" of technology.
> Resource use is one thing. Recycling and diminution of effluents is quite
> another.
There is nothing you can do to cut down CO2 emission except cutting
down on resource use. And CO2 is to a large degree what is changing
our climate and drowning Indonesian islands.
> When the public transport in our area stopped running efficient
> routes to where I worked, I stopped using it. Get real: the general
> populace will not put themselves out enormously just to save a few
> CO2 molecules. There must be efficient and convenient design, and
> proof that the individual will profit from the sacrifices made.
Problem is that the Americans are spread over much too large area.
One should herd them into small reservations, then they would need to
drive around much less. Has worked with the natives, so why not try
it again?
Well, they are trying it with some areas like Los Angeles, but they
still haven't achieved half the packing density we have here, for
example, in the entire Ruhrgebiet.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: HP-380 color printer
Date: 17 Feb 1999 06:00:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been handed an HP-380 color printer/scanner/copier, and so
far have not managed to get a color print out of it. Using the
djet500 driver for the APSfilter package (a very old version though)
I get b&w printouts of color PostScript files.
Does anyone have one of these things working already?
Thanks,
Floyd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Repton)
Subject: Re: Linux & overclocked CPU
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:20:44 GMT
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:28:19 +0000, sean mc cann wrote:
>However certain processors use diferent voltages to operate so be
>carefull when setting the jumpers. Generally overclocking is a bad idea.
>True that the same dye process may be used to produce the chips but the
>manufacturers check what the maximum SUSTAINABLE speed is for the dye,
>to prevent electron migration in the chip substrate. Well thats how its
>done at Intel anyway. I suspect the other manufacturers have simular
>methods of catagorising product.
>
The word is die not dye. If two chips come off the same process then
they will be equally susceptible to electro-migration, which has nothing
to do with the substrate. Electro-migration is the migration of the
aluminium tracks due to intense electric fields, and can cause thinning
of the tracks where they pass over a step on the chip. The manufacturer
may or may not check the maximum speed a particular dice will run at, as
'binning' as it is called costs money. If the yields are particularly
good they are as likely to just check them all at the top speed and
mark them according to need. In addition, this notion of two chips from
the same batch having different maximum clocks is fanciful. There are
die to die variations but they are generally small compared with batch
to batch variations. They may even just sample test a given batch for
operation at a given speed and send the whole batch off for marking
at that speed.
I am not saying what Intel do, I am just talking about typical industry
behaviour.
My personal opinion (based on designing integrated circuits for 12 years
now) is that overclocking is extremely unlikely to cause any damage if
the chip comes from a process on which faster chips in the family are
made. Ie if you have a Celeron marked 300MHz made on the process they make
500MHz Celerons on, then it should be safe. On the other hand, driving
an older chip, made on an older larger geometry process, as fast as the
new version, could cause problems (mainly due to heat dissipation).
--
Andy
My opinions, not necessarily my employer's.
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From: Didier Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: X and ATI Rage IIc AGP
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:23:00 +0000
If none of all other answers works, try adding a parameter 'ChipId
0x4755' in the XF86config file. This file is generally sitting in
/etc/X11. This paramter should go in the 'Device' parapgraph defining
your video card. This works good for me (Rage IIc AGP + X11 3.3.2). This
paramter will prevent X to probe the card when starting, but it works
just fine.
Hope this helps
Didier
Calle Hilborn a �crit :
>
> This video card does not appear in the list when configuring X. And when
> probing for card specifics it returns an error!
> Can someone please help me?
> I installed Linux and used it for the first time this tuesday, so, please be
> rather specific when describing HOWTO.
>
> Regards
>
> Calle
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ralf Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glib-1.1.15 and gtk+-1.1.15 with RedHat 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:19:52 +0100
I don't know about RedHat, but on my SuSE 6.0 System, after installing
glib, you have to do 'ldconfig' as root. Then the configure script for
gtk works. Have you been trying to build x11amp0.9alpha* ? After
installing gtk, run ldconfig again.
Ralf
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From: "Mig Killer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has too many problems
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 05:27:07 -0500
TomX wrote in message <7ad3lv$e9r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>A software engineer's experience on RedHat 5.2:
>
>Extremely difficult to install. (take me one week to get installed)
>Often hang up(esp. in X Window).
>Less descriptive error messages.
>So many problems, Linux still has a long way to go.
>
>I believe all the problems I met are caused by my hardware,
>but why Linux developers can't test on more hardware list?
>
>
Linux 2.0.35 on an i486 ... partly homebuilt ... RedHat 5.1 Manhattan
Took me one hour to get installed. Works fine with X Window ... no hangs.
Netscape Comm 4.05 works fine too ... no hangs ... and a whole bunch of
other stuff ... no hangs.
Machine ? an old socket 7 with an AMD X5 133 Mhz and a VESA Bus and a lousy
24 Mb RAM ... and a weird Cyrris video card with 1 Meg. It runs from the
second drive, 400 Mb and a 16 Mb swap file, same drive. Win NT 3.51 is on
the first drive. The first partition on drive one is a DOS FAT ... accesses
nicely from LINUX.
Works fine. Who'da thunk it.
Burt Hill
hhheagle (AT a real domain) programmer.net
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Desktop with Redhat Apollo
Date: 17 Feb 1999 04:28:01 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > snd? Is that a KDE program?
> > >
> >
> > A sound reader program to record music off CD or LPs. It refuses to record at
> a
> > higher speed that 8035Hz which is useless. My input of 44100 is overwritten
> with the
> > ridiculous default. I have to go to winblows NT to record my LPs.
>
> I insist: is it a KDE program? There is a sound recorder for KDE, too, but I
> don't know if it's the one you are talking about. So, unless I am sure what
> program you are referring to, it's not easy to help you.
>
snd is a sound program, nothing to do with kde. As for krecord I haven't been
able to get it to compile, it complains about .h files missing. The names
fly off the screen so I don't get to see the first message that it chokes on.
I just gave up on that one. I installed all the stuff that was on the CD directory
for the redhat kde.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc vs egcs
Date: 17 Feb 1999 04:28:01 -0600
Frans Gumpu Slothouber wrote:
>
> Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Not really, I've compiled all my kernels with egcs in the past few months and never
> : got an error due to the bug you are talking about.
>
> Did you apply the patch? What error did you get?
> I compiled 2.0.36... and it seems to be working properly.
>
I didn't get any error message, but then the kernel I compile is a 2.2.x kernel.
I'll have to try to compile an old kernel to see, I used gcc last time I compile
the old kernel.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.1 and performance.
Date: 17 Feb 1999 04:28:02 -0600
Patrick O'Neil wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, gus wrote:
>
> > I installed / compiled kernal 2.2.1 over the weekend, and have noticed a
> > performance gain in orders of magnitude over the 2.0.36 I was running.
> > Is this normal ;-)
> [...]
> > I was not expecting such a performance change, and although pleasantly
> > surprised, I would like to know if this is expected, and why? Is there
> > some hardware which is better used?
>
> I have read of others reporting the same thing. It is supposed to be a
> rather strong change/improvement.
>
> I compiled 2.2.1 on Sunday but I have not run it yet (I am presently
> running the precompiled kernel-2.2.0-0.3.i386.rpm) - I haven't upgraded to
> modutils 2.1.121 yet. Every time I have, it totally screws both kernel
> 2.0.36 and my present 2.2.0-0.3 kernel in regards to loading modules. I
> have had to keep going back to 1.0.85 (I THINK that is the version) so
> that both 2.0.36 and 2.2.0 will load modules.
>
The modutils file seems to have been compiled for a weird system, not similar
to any RedHat system on the market. What I did to bring sanity to the system
was to recompile it under the new kernel. It works good now.
> This is the first time I have rolled my own kernel. I used kernelbuilder
> (acquired via freshmeat) and it made everything painless and simple. I
> also used pgcc as my compiler. Just a question...when compiling a kernel,
> does it take a look at what is installed at the time of compile or does it
> even care? In other words, would compilation of kernel-2.2.1 with
> modutils-2.0.85 installed rather than 2.1.121 matter at all? Or can I now
> upgrade to modutils 2.1.121 and then reboot to the new kernel without,
> presumably, any problems?
>
> patrick
You should use the lastest one, just recompile if it works like shit.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.1 and performance.
Date: 17 Feb 1999 04:28:03 -0600
"David A. Frantz" wrote:
>
> Guys;
>
> I've seen gains even on my laptop with 24 meg of ram. This is really
> excellent. My question is has anyone successfully targeted something
> other than i386? In other words has anyone attempted to compile for i586
> or 686. I could imagine great performance increases by do that. Its
> like my old laptop has been reborn.
>
> EGCS can do i486 the question is how much of an additional benefit would one
> get by going to the pentium compiler? Beyond the kernel which library
> should be optimized next? My goal is to make my laptop with its 133 Mhz
> processor perfrom like my desk top unit. Thats a stretch considering the
> Desktop runs at 333mhz but it is hampered by NT.
>
> Dave
>
I've never compiled it for anything else than the Pentium Pro. I have a 686 IBM.
It works great and fast.
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From: Radix Dej <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TEST
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:19:27 +0100
no text
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Simple Samba question. . . I hope
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:20:38 GMT
In article <wS9y2.1236$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Thom V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've got Red Hat 5.2 setup with Samba on a network with Windows 98. The RH
> installation is the basic workstation installation with Samba and a few
> other things added in after the install. Currently, both machines can ping
> each other and I can telnet from the Win98 machine to the RH Linux machine
> without any problems. I've even got the basics of Samba working. SMBclient
> runs from the linux box fine. I can create directories and everything on
> the Win98 machine.
>
> The problem is going the reverse direction. When I double click on the
> linux box in Network Neighborhood to access shared directories from Win98 I
> get the following message...
>
> Enter Network Password
> You must supply a network password to make this connection:
> Resource: \\LinuxBox\IPC$
> Password:
>
> Doesn't "IPC" stand for something like "Inter Process Communication"? Why
> do I need a password for this? Is there a step that I've skipped? What is
> the simplest way to resolve this and still keep some degree of security?
>
> Thanks,
> Thom Vandenberg
>
>
some basic steps should take care here
first: user on both machines identical w/ identical password
second: enableplaintextpassword somewhere in registry of 98 set to 1
( look up faqs in win98/winnt or maybe even in this newsgroup )
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From: Marcus Gastreich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kde: make window symbolsize via keyboard?
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:35:57 +0100
dear knowing,
under our sgi/4Dwm i can easily
make a window shrink to symbol size
by alt+f9. (i find that VERY convenient!!)
is there such thing under kde/linux
as well?
if not, how would i configure it that
way?
thanks for lending me your eyes/ears.
marcus
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From: Gareth R Woolridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: innd
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:17:20 +0000
Hi all
I have a Redhat 5.2 system with the default innd config, and am using
suck to receive from my ISP for a small network.
One worker wants a group that contains binaries, but inn is refusing all
files larger than 75k, how can i modify this??
cheers
gareth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tomi Lind)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:54:24 GMT
Hi,
With Caldera there is configuration software named XF86Setup. It's
available for other distributions also. Eg contrib.redhat.com (or
updates.redhat.com)
XFree86-XF86XSetup-3.3.2-9.i386.rpm
That's gives quite good touch for XF86 configuration.
Go on...
t.omi
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From: "Srinivasan, Rajagopalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux?
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 05:50:00 -0500
Ron Nicholson wrote in message <7adg7k$4tm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>I'm really ashamed to admit it but I work at a place where they still
>>use VMS. A lot of the reason for this is the existing body of software
>>written in VAX Basic. Is there a compiler for Linux (free or not) that
>>can re-compile this kind of cruft?
>
Ashamed (!!!!!)
>Don't know about a Basic compiler; but there are several Basic language
>interpreters suitable for use under linux (C source code available,
>some under GPL.)
>
>I keep a list of Basic language resources in the middle of this web page:
> <http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic/>
>
>Is there any documentation on VMS VAX Basic syntax around?
>
>
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