Linux-Misc Digest #69, Volume #20 Wed, 5 May 99 09:13:23 EDT
Contents:
Re: multiple X sessions ("brian l")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Ed Avis)
Re: DHCP server for Linux? (1)
Re: multiple X sessions ("Duane A. Bielling")
Re: Linux kernel is not preemptible (Marc Mutz)
Re: Star office on glibc 2.1? (Rene Bauer)
IBM V.90 PC Card Modem (Son Trung Nguyen)
Linux and y2k on intel (Graham Daniell)
Re: mail config
Ugent! Help with xv! (Kenny Zhu)
Installing PPP into the Kernel (Dennis Brown)
Colors ("David Bildstr�m")
Re: Help can't delete file .... (Mark Hahn)
Re: Color printers (Mark Hahn)
Re: Linux to Dos (Mark Hahn)
Printing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 'screen' and dselect/lynx/mutt/slrn (terminfo?) ("T.E.Dickey")
Help ISDN HISAX 16.3c install (Csejtey Gabor Zoltan)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (Matthias Warkus)
Re: newbie linux questions (Albert Goins)
Re: Xdm on startup? ("Ming98")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Ed Avis)
Re: Linux to Dos ("Daniel Thomas")
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From: "brian l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: multiple X sessions
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:54:15 +0100
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Perhaps you're thinking of being able to view a remote machine's X desktop?
Christopher B. Browne wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 04 May 1999 23:53:55 -0500, Duane A. Bielling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>>Christopher Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> Many (most?) window managers offer the ability to switch between
>>> virtual desktops in one manner or another. Tell us about your
>>> favorite window manager, and we may be able to tell you how to
>>> accomplish that which you want...
>>
>>I've read about running multiple instances of X in "Running Linux." I
>>found out that by pressing the Alt+F1 through Alt+F6 keys I can get as
>>many shells running concurrently. But once I start an X session in one
>>of them I can't seem to figure out how to get back to one of the other
>>sessions to invoke a second X session.
>
>You probably don't want to invoke a second X session. That would
>consume memory for the second X server instance, and might even demand
>a second video card.
>
>Far better to simply use multiple "panes" in the terms you use below.
>
>By the way, the way to get back to the console is probably to try
>(control)(alt)-F1 (all pressed at the same time). There seems to be a
>logic to this; I can't articulate the precise reasoning for adding the
>(control) to the mix.
>
>You can get back to the X session by going to the virtual console that
>comes "after the last one attached to a login." That is commonly
>going to be (alt)-F7.
>
>>Just an observation from a newbie.
>>
>>Oh, I've discovered that in the AfterStep interface that came with RH5.1
>>I can have four 'panes' per "Desk" and a total of four "Desks." That
>>gives me 16 different places to store (hide?) stuff. Anything more and
>>I think I might lose myself. ;-)
>
>The number of "panes" is usually configurable, so you may modify that
>as needed. I think that what you're running there is likely FVWM2,
>with a bunch of configuration that simulates the AfterStep window
>manager.
>
>>One last thing. As a help to fellow newbies I would like to recommend
>>two books. Running Linux, 2d ed. (O'Reilly) and Linux in a Nutshell
>>(O'Reilly). The former is a primer for doing stuff in Linux from
>>installation to using vi to getting X installed. The latter is a
>>desktop reference that complements the man pages quite well, IMO.
>
>Running Linux is an excellent source to browse through to find "cool
>stuff to try."
>
>>A third book which I have yet to purchase (will be doing so shortly) is
>>entitled Volume 3: X Window System User's Guide Standard Edition
>>(O'Reilly). I've been told that O'Reilly is the defacto standard for
>>publishing quality Linux manuals. IMO they are two for two.
>
>When I was last shopping for detailed X guides, it was Volume 3 that I
>got. It has a goodly mixture of lots of useful info on configuring
>and using X.
>
>There are two editions: one directed at users of Motif, and one
>directed at those using "not Motif." Given choice, I'd suggest the
>"not Motif" portion of the series.
>
>--
>Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:54:33 +0100
Andrew Carol wrote:
[would consumers buy PCs with 'licensing protection'?]
>I always come back to the typical consumer. If they had no way to know
>would they care? They buy the software, register it on-line, and it
>just works.
I imagine that Joe Public would go into a shop, and:
Joe Public: I'd like to buy a PC, please.
Shop Assistant: Certainly. Would sir like the PC with built-in
crippling, which means sir will also be needing to spend large amounts
on software? Or would sir prefer this uncrippled model, which comes
with 'cracked' software pre-loaded?
Joe Public: Uh...
but you can see that unless hardware manufacturers and resellers were
bribed by the software companies, it wouldn't take long for any dongle
scheme to collapse.
>USB was built into most PC's for two years before W98 could use it.
>What if the dongle were built into each CPU for several years, then the
>companies switched over? Most people that they care about would own
>machines bought within the last few years and they will just continue
>on.
I think most people would get cracked copies of software. These would
be entirely legal and probably available from any consumer electronics
shop.
--
Ed Avis
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From: 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DHCP server for Linux?
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:25:37 +0200
There is a DHCP server included with RH, I can't remember if it is from
www.isc.org.
Azfar Kazmi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Its amazing that I am unable to find a stable DHCP server for Linux! I found
> one at www.isc.org but they say it is partically funtional on Linux! DHCP
> being an important protocol, I believe there will be one for Linux. Where can
> I find it? I use Redhat distribution, if that matters.
>
> --
> Azfar Kazmi
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "Duane A. Bielling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: multiple X sessions
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:53:55 -0500
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Many (most?) window managers offer the ability to switch between
> virtual desktops in one manner or another. Tell us about your
> favorite window manager, and we may be able to tell you how to
> accomplish that which you want...
I've read about running multiple instances of X in "Running Linux." I
found out that by pressing the Alt+F1 through Alt+F6 keys I can get as
many shells running concurrently. But once I start an X session in one
of them I can't seem to figure out how to get back to one of the other
sessions to invoke a second X session.
Just an observation from a newbie.
Oh, I've discovered that in the AfterStep interface that came with RH5.1
I can have four 'panes' per "Desk" and a total of four "Desks." That
gives me 16 different places to store (hide?) stuff. Anything more and
I think I might lose myself. ;-)
One last thing. As a help to fellow newbies I would like to recommend
two books. Running Linux, 2d ed. (O'Reilly) and Linux in a Nutshell
(O'Reilly). The former is a primer for doing stuff in Linux from
installation to using vi to getting X installed. The latter is a
desktop reference that complements the man pages quite well, IMO.
A third book which I have yet to purchase (will be doing so shortly) is
entitled Volume 3: X Window System User's Guide Standard Edition
(O'Reilly). I've been told that O'Reilly is the defacto standard for
publishing quality Linux manuals. IMO they are two for two.
Take care,
Duane
--
God is so good!
Duane A. Bielling
http://www.ametro.net/~bielling
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:46:46 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux kernel is not preemptible
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Could any of you tell me in a few words the meaning of "preemptible"
> and "reentrant function"?
> Thanks
> Emanuele Campra
>
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preemptive:
The kernel does not wait for a process to give CPU time to others (e.g.
through a kernel function), but interrupts it and forces other processes
to be able to get CPU time.
reentrant:
a kernel or library function can be called from within itself. This
implies that it does not e.g. use global variables.
Marc Mutz
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:28:04 +0200
From: Rene Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star office on glibc 2.1?
Ken Williams wrote:
>
> So what does one have to do to actually use Star Office on 2.1? If its not
> possible, is there a mini-howto that explains in detail how to downgrade to
> 2.0.7? Can I run both? Why is this so difficult?
I think most of the newest distributions like OpenLinux 2.2, RedHat 6.0
and SuSE 6.1 use glibc 2.1 and distribute StarOffice. So there must be a
way. But I haven't had a look at one of them yet.
Ciao,
Rene
--
Rene Bauer
TESIS SYSware GmbH, Munich (Germany)
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)89 747377-26
Never trust a programmer with a screwdriver!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Son Trung Nguyen)
Subject: IBM V.90 PC Card Modem
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:45:57 GMT
Dear Netters,
Does anyone know if linux kernel 2.2.6 supports the
pcmcia IBM V.90 PC Card Modem?
I can't get it to work, if you know, I would appreciate
a hint.
Thanks
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From: Graham Daniell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux and y2k on intel
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:11:13 +0800
There are a number of patches / TSR's available for the DOS / Windows
world to "fix" the Bios of many Intel PC's to ensure the clock rolls
over to year 2000 correctly and stays there.
Are there any such "fixes" for Linux on Intel PC's?
Regards,
Graham Daniell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: mail config
Date: 5 May 1999 07:06:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 3 May 1999 18:55:26 -0400, Anup Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anybody know how to change the 'From: ' header in mail that you send
>from pine?
>
>Thanks
>
It depends on which version of pine you are using. I think on the older ones
I had to recompile it to enable changing the from part (this was 3.9??).
A couple of months ago I changed to 4.05 and I believe it worked out of the
box, though compiling pine is no big deal.
In either case, you go to setup and add a customized header
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny Zhu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Ugent! Help with xv!
Date: 5 May 1999 07:20:01 GMT
Hi there. I need to convert ps images to gif or jpeg. I know xv can do
that but I couldn't manage to display ps files even thought I have
ghostscript package installed. Please help me. This is urgent! Thanks in
advance.
Kenny
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From: Dennis Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Installing PPP into the Kernel
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:18:32 GMT
Would anybody out there know how to put PPP into the kernel in Red Hat
Linux 5.0 (kernel 2.0.32)? I have already tryed "insmod" and
"kernelcfg". Thanx, Kevin Brown.
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From: "David Bildstr�m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Colors
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:35:07 +0200
Hi...
I was just wondering if one could change the bpp depth from within X and if
so, how?
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help can't delete file ....
Date: 5 May 1999 04:34:48 GMT
>> I have accidentally createed a large file named "-C" (w/out the quotes).
>> Now I can not do an rm or mv it. Any ideas ?
> Open a console and execute mc (Midnight Commander). Right-click on the
> file name and press F8.
GROTESQUE!
read the fine man page on rm. it *explicitly* addresses this case.
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Color printers
Date: 5 May 1999 04:38:38 GMT
> that is OS independent? I'm not talking megabuck high grade commercial
> printing quality here , but a close to photographic quality that doesn't
> have obvious dithering.
modern epsons print at 1440 dpi, which dots are very difficult to see.
supported just fine by recent ghostscript.
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux to Dos
Date: 5 May 1999 04:56:50 GMT
> How can I convert Linux text file to dos text file?
perl -i.bak -pe "s/\x0a/\x0d\x0a/" yourfilename
there are MANY other ways, of course.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Printing
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:15:48 GMT
Hi
We are moving to Red Hat from SCO. One of our problems is that the printing
subsystem of SCO is entirely different to SCO. Our main problem at the moment
is printing condensed and stopping a form feed.
I think I can do the form feed part but nowhere in the documentation is there
anything about printing condensed.
Please help
Regards
Aubrey
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'screen' and dselect/lynx/mutt/slrn (terminfo?)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:51:16 GMT
Tim Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>that's a shame (lynx works fine in 'screen' with ncurses -- but screen
>>doesn't really support bce, so anything that uses slang will malfunction
>>in screen).
> It doesn't? That explains it then. I found lynx with ncurses to be horribly slow
> when scrolling compared to slang.
oh - I missed this comment on the first cut: the scrolling speed is comparable
if you enable the hashmap code in the build (long story - politics)
-- there's another factor in the speed (a bug in slang which ignores the
delay times specified in the terminal description, but that's probably
not the case here).
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Csejtey Gabor Zoltan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help ISDN HISAX 16.3c install
Date: 5 May 1999 11:25:51 GMT
I use Debian 2.1. I would like to install
an ISDN HIsax 16.3c card with ISA slot into a 486 machine.
I used the following command:
depmod type=14 protocol=2 irq=10 io=0x580 id=teles
I got this message:
Teles 16.3c: IRQ(10) getting no interrupts during init 1
Teles 16.3c: IRQ(10) getting no interrupts during init 2
Teles 16.3c: IRQ(10) getting no interrupts during init 3
HiSax: Card Teles 16.3c not installed !
ISDN unloaded
Any help?
Gabor Csejtey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:42:59 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 4 May 1999 18:59:17 GMT...
..and someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Well, despite being won over by the sheer spangliness of Gnome...
>
> > Out of curiosity, what does "spangliness" mean?!?
> Check out the jargon file for a full definition of "spangle". It's
> probably linked from http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/
>
> Stu likes "Vaston"
^^^^^^
Great term. I always wondered how to call that extremely abstract unit
load meters are calibrated in... "Average number of processes either
running or in queue to be scheduled" just doesn't cut it.
mawa
--
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about one and a half inches farther from the earth
--
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From: Albert Goins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie linux questions
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:22:01 -0500
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Stefan Retta wrote:
> Albert Goins wrote:
> >
> > I have installed Red Hat 5.1 on my new machine after not having a
> > machine to put Linux on for 3 years. A lot has changed in that time and
> > I have a few questions I am having trouble finding answers to.
> >
> > 1. Why doesn't LILO work?
> > I have windows 98 on an 8.4 GB /dev/hda and installed redhat on an
> > 8.4 GB /dev/hdc (my cdrom is on /dev/hdb). They are both ultra dma.
> > When I install LILO on my MBR it breaks. The computer boots and then
> > gives an endless stream on 0101010101 on the screen and I have to
> > reboot. Restored the MBR with fdisk /mbr and am now using a boot disk,
> > but I would really like LILO to work.
> >
> > 2. Will my Creative Labs 3D Blaster Banshee AGP 16 meg video card work
> > with X? Quake?
> > This one is pretty self explanatory. BTW, I have a Pentium II with
> > 128 meg RAM and an Asus P2B m/b.
>
Where do I find this experimental server?
> >
> > 3. Why won't my windows 98 drive mount to /win98 like I told it to?
> > How do I do this other than using disk Druid in the Red Hat install?
> > What about my cdrom (IDE)?
> >
>
> Hi
>
> 1. With Lilo I have almost the same Problem here, but I get a stream of
> 0404.. (It�s an 386
> with a seagate drive which worked just fine with lilo ?!?)
>
> 2. With the Banshee Chipset you�ll get trouble because there is just an
> experimental X-Server
> which works not perfect :-(
>
> 3. Try to edit your fstab. Perhaps you have to load the vfat module
> before mounting the Win98
> Partition
>
> Stefan Retta
--
Albert Goins
University of Minnesota Twin Cities
Computer Science
Lab Consultant EE/Csci 4-204, MechE 308
ICQ# 31412664
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Stefan Retta wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Albert Goins wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> I have installed Red Hat 5.1 on my new machine after not having a
<BR>> machine to put Linux on for 3 years. A lot has changed in that
time and
<BR>> I have a few questions I am having trouble finding answers to.
<BR>>
<BR>> 1. Why doesn't LILO work?
<BR>> I have windows 98 on an 8.4 GB /dev/hda and
installed redhat on an
<BR>> 8.4 GB /dev/hdc (my cdrom is on /dev/hdb). They are both ultra
dma.
<BR>> When I install LILO on my MBR it breaks. The computer boots
and then
<BR>> gives an endless stream on 0101010101 on the screen and I have to
<BR>> reboot. Restored the MBR with fdisk /mbr and am now using a
boot disk,
<BR>> but I would really like LILO to work.
<BR>>
<BR>> 2. Will my Creative Labs 3D Blaster Banshee AGP 16 meg video
card work
<BR>> with X? Quake?
<BR>> This one is pretty self explanatory.
BTW, I have a Pentium II with
<BR>> 128 meg RAM and an Asus P2B m/b.
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
Where do I find this experimental server?
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>>
<BR>> 3. Why won't my windows 98 drive mount to /win98 like I told
it to?
<BR>> How do I do this other than using disk Druid in the Red Hat install?
<BR>> What about my cdrom (IDE)?
<BR>>
<P>Hi
<P>1. With Lilo I have almost the same Problem here, but I get a stream
of
<BR>0404.. (It´s an 386
<BR>with a seagate drive which worked just fine with lilo ?!?)
<P>2. With the Banshee Chipset you´ll get trouble because there is
just an
<BR>experimental X-Server
<BR>which works not perfect :-(
<P>3. Try to edit your fstab. Perhaps you have to load the vfat module
<BR>before mounting the Win98
<BR>Partition
<P>Stefan Retta</BLOCKQUOTE>
<PRE>--
Albert
Goins
University of Minnesota Twin Cities
Computer Science
Lab Consultant EE/Csci 4-204, MechE 308
ICQ# 31412664
<A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>
<A
HREF="http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~goin0004">http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~goin0004</A></PRE>
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From: "Ming98" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xdm on startup?
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:38:29 +0100
Giuseppe,
In your /etc/inittab file change the startup level from 3 to 5 and change
the startup execution to xdm. I can't recall the precise details (responding
from a Windows system) but it should be self evident once you are in the
inittab file.
Gordon
Giuseppe Milicia wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello,
>
>I know it's a stupid question... But how do I run Xdm on
>startup??
>
>Thanks,
>
>-- Giuseppe
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From: Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:36:00 +0100
witra wrote:
>My economics class was a long time ago and I've probably forgotten
>most of it, but IIRC there were many requirements in the ideal free
>market. Among other things, there must be no barriers to entry and
>exit and there should be a very large number of independent sellers
>and buyers. (Real free markets are rare in the world, most markets are
>monopolies and oligopolies).
That's 'perfect competition', ie the ideal 'market' for a particular
product. Not the same as a 'free market economy', which certainly
won't give perfect competition in every market. (Perfect competition
is the ideal, but you could never achieve it in practice, although
some markets like (unregulated) agriculture come fairly close.)
--
Ed Avis
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From: "Daniel Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux to Dos
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:05:25 +1000
Dan wrote in message <7gnm4a$8gs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello all,
>
>How can I convert Linux text file to dos text file?
>
>Dan
>
>
There are a couple of ways:
1: there is a utility called unix2dos and one called dos2unix, this handles
the conversion of text files easily
2: in VIM there is an option to save the file as a different type
read the docs on howto do this.
3: there is at least one otherway But I cant remember how it was done.
Daniel Thomas
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