Linux-Misc Digest #69, Volume #28 Sat, 9 Jun 01 20:13:01 EDT
Contents:
linux+windows2000+solaris ("mark")
Re: cd burn/backup question (Robert Heller)
windows 2000 and Linux (Josep)
Re: cd burn/backup question (Dances With Crows)
RH 7.1 Strangeness (Robert B. Love)
Re: windows 2000 and Linux (Dances With Crows)
Re: AC'97 sound chips on board - no sound in RedHat 7.0 (Dave Uhring)
Re: "no rule to make bzimage" (Dave Uhring)
Re: I've the PCMCIA blues... (Jerome Mrozak)
Re: REAL UNIX workstation for sale!!! (on eBay) (3FE)
Re: 3-button PS/2 mouse config? (3FE)
Re: "no rule to make bzimage" (Jim)
Re: "no rule to make bzimage" (Jim)
Good GUI mail clients? (guesswho)
Re: I've the PCMCIA blues... (Michael Perry)
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From: "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux+windows2000+solaris
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:11:35 -0700
Hi all,
I have redhat 7.1 and windows 2000 in one machine, and use windows2000 boot
loader for both of them. now i want to add solaris to the mix, how can i go
about booting the three of them, preferably using the existing boot loader
i.e. windows2000.
note: sorry if this is not the right list for this question.
thanx
mark
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cd burn/backup question
Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:27:56 GMT
Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 07:56:16 -0500, wrote :
LH> I'm having a permissions problem with my backup files. For a variety of
LH> reasons, it is most expedient for me to back my home directory up to
LH> CD. For this I use XCDRoast, which has to be run as root (per the
LH> documentation). The backup goes fine, the CDs are mountable, etc, but
LH> naturally, all of the file and group ownership changes to root.root, and
LH> all of the permissions are set to Read-Only.
LH>
LH> This is fine on the CD, but it's a MAJOR pain on the restore.
LH>
LH> What I'm looking for is either a way to maintain permissions and
LH> ownership through the burning process (understanding that I can't write
LH> to the media) *or* to quickly and thoroughly restore the permissions and
LH> ownership when I move the directory back to the hard disk.
LH>
LH> The files getting backed up/restored are a combination of directories,
LH> executables, read-and-write, and read-onlys. My current method (not
LH> knowing any better) is to point XCDRoast at the /home directory and tell
LH> it to create an image of it, which is then burned.
LH>
LH> Thanks for any advice,
I don't know if it makes any difference or not, but did you select 'UNIX
Rockridge' as the image master type?
The only other option would be (assuming you had the 650meg worth of
spare disk space) would be to do this (as root):
bash# mkdir /scratch/Jun-9-2001
bash# tar cvf /scratch/Jun-9-2001/backup.tar -c /home .
bash# xcdroast
Master & burn the contents of /scratch/Jun-9-2001 (one big giant tar
file).
bash# rm -rf /scratch/Jun-9-2001
Now your cd will have one file (backup.tar) with whatever owner/perms.
Inside of the tar file, all of your permissions, etc. are preserved.
Note if you have some reason not to like tar, you can also do:
bash# mkdir /scratch/Jun-9-2001
bash# dump 0f - /home > /scratch/Jun-9-2001/home.dmp
Same difference. I'd recommend tar -- *everybody* can deal with a tar file.
Or you can do this:
bash# ls -RAFl /home >/home/ls-RAFl
just before mastering and burning the CD. All of your ownership and
permissions would then be *documented* in the file ls-RAFl at the top of
the CD. You'd just have to re-create things (by hand) on 'restore'.
ISO9660 CDs are probably not a really good system for backups intended
as failsafe (i.e. disaster recovery) -- they are fine for general
archival purposes though.
LH>
LH> Lori
LH>
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From: Josep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: windows 2000 and Linux
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:24:01 +0200
Hello all
I am currently running WIndows 2000 on my PC. I would like to use also
Linux Red Hat 6.2. Unfortunately, my computer does not seem able to
start from CD, so I am a bit lost concerning the installation. My PC
currently has:
- Windows 2000 Professional with SP 1 and SP 2
- 20 Gb Hard disk as primary master
- 4 Gb Hard disk as primary Slave
- 24X CD-ROM drive
I still have plenty of space in the 20 Gb drive, so creating a partition
of, say, 8 Gb for Linux would not be any problem. However, the software
for partition management that comes with Linux is fips, and it doesn't
cope well with Windows 2000. I also don't know how to make a bootable
floppy disk in order to install Linux. There is also the fdisk option,
but I would not like to have to install again all the software packages.
Could somebody give me some help to install Linux? It can be either
straightforward instructions or an indication of the place where I could
find such information
Regards
Josep
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: cd burn/backup question
Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:22:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 9 Jun 2001 22:27:56 GMT, Robert Heller staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
> Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> I'm having a permissions problem with my backup files. For a variety of
>> reasons, it is most expedient for me to back my home directory up to
>> CD. For this I use XCDRoast, which has to be run as root (per the
>> documentation). The backup goes fine, the CDs are mountable, etc, but
>> naturally, all of the file and group ownership changes to root.root, and
>> all of the permissions are set to Read-Only.
>> What I'm looking for is either a way to maintain permissions and
>> ownership through the burning process (understanding that I can't write
[snip]
>I don't know if it makes any difference or not, but did you select 'UNIX
>Rockridge' as the image master type?
[snip]
The problem is that mkisofs (which does all the work of generating the
ISO image; XCDRoast is just a pointy-clicky front end) was called with
the -r option instead of the -R option. -r creates an ISO9660 with Rock
Ridge extensions, but it sets the permissions for every file to 0555 and
the owner of every file to root.root . This is excellent for data
transfer between two different machines, but horrible for backups of a
Unix filesystem, as all the permissions bits have been garbled. I don't
know whether XCDRoast will let you use the -R option instead of the -r;
I never use it because it feels clunky....
You could do like Robert Heller said and use a tar file. Or you can use
the following command to make a backup of your /home to a CD-RW in one
fell swoop:
mkisofs -R /home | cdrecord dev=X,Y,Z speed=W -
(Please note that you have to get X,Y,Z, and W correct, and it would be
best to execute this command line as root.)
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best
http://www.brainbench.com / friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
=============================/ to read. ==Groucho Marx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert B. Love )
Subject: RH 7.1 Strangeness
Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:20:40 GMT
Why I didn't do an upgrade instead of a complete install is beyond me.
After doing this install I see a couple of funnies I like some help
with.
1) The RH PPP Dialer. I can only really run it as root. I've told
Linuxconf to allow my user to start PPP but that doesn't seem to be
enough. As myself, not root, when I try it, it will dial the
modem but it won't disconnect it. If I try to use the disconnect
it simply dials again. Also, there is no graphical indication that
any connection is made. I assume that it trying to write connection
status to a file somewhere and my user doesn't have permissions
to write this file. Since it all works fine if I'm root, this
ought to be pretty simple to correct.
2) Sendmail and boot up. The boot up happens, daemons are started and
all progresses nicely. Then it says starting sendmail and it waits and
waits for about 5-6 minutes then finishes sendmail and rapidly completes
the startup. What can I do to not have it wait for sendmail to start?
All advice appreciated.
--
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Bob Love
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: windows 2000 and Linux
Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:35:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:24:01 +0200, Josep staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>I am currently running WIndows 2000 on my PC. I would like to use also
>Linux Red Hat 6.2. Unfortunately, my computer does not seem able to
>start from CD
???! How old is this beast? Every x86 machine made since 1997 should
be able to boot from CD.
>- Windows 2000 Professional with SP 1 and SP 2
>- 20 Gb Hard disk as primary master
>- 4 Gb Hard disk as primary Slave
>
>I still have plenty of space in the 20 Gb drive, so creating a partition
>of, say, 8 Gb for Linux would not be any problem. However, the software
>for partition management that comes with Linux is fips, and it doesn't
>cope well with Windows 2000.
FIPS.EXE works fine with Lose2K, provided you installed Lose2K to a
FAT32 partition and not an NTFS partition. AFAIK, there is no Free
Software that will allow you to resize an NTFS partition. You are
probably out of luck unless you either find a copy of some version of
Partition Magic that can deal with NTFS, or you back up all your data,
repartition the disk, and reinstall Lose2K. Partition Magic is roughly
$60 and can be useful in many circumstances.
>I also don't know how to make a bootable floppy disk in order to
>install Linux.
It's in the paper manual that came with your distro. If you don't have
a paper manual, you should go out and buy a good book like _Running
Linux_ from O'Reilly, or find a local Linux-using guru who's willing to
hold your hand for a while. Finally, the first CD should contain a
directory called "disks" or "images" which should contain a README file
which tells you how to use RAWRITE.EXE (in the dosutils directory) to
make a bootable Linux floppy from a DOS prompt.
>Could somebody give me some help to install Linux? It can be either
>straightforward instructions or an indication of the place where I could
>find such information
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/
http://linuxnewbies.org/
file:///|X:/DOCU/README* (X: is the CD-ROM drive under Doze)
papermanual://chapter/1/
local-linux-user-group://next-scheduled-meeting/
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best
http://www.brainbench.com / friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
=============================/ to read. ==Groucho Marx
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: AC'97 sound chips on board - no sound in RedHat 7.0
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:39:50 -0500
andrea wrote:
> Giles Morant wrote:
>
>> Wilson Ng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> : Hi,
>>
>> : My on-board sound chip VIA AC97 audio controller (WDM) works fine with
>> : WinME. I tried to run sndconfig to enable the sound in my Linux
>> : installation in RedHat 7.0. The program detected that the sound device
>> : is VIA82cxxx. After I confirm the autoprobe was done and my system
>> : hangs. I rebooted Linux and the startup freeze when starting the sound
>> : module.
>>
>> : Any body can help?
>>
>> : Thanks, Wilson.
>>
>> This is a FAQ. Look back through dejanews or google groups. Basically,
>> all you need to do in install the ALSA sound drivers from
>> http://www.alsa-project.org IIRC. Quite straightforward and my machine
>> works perfectly for playing mp3s &c. -- I don't do MIDI or anything
>> complicated with it.
>>
>> Giles Morant
>>
>> --
>> Giles RC Morant
>> http://www.morants.demon.co.uk/giles
>
> I've the opposite problem.
> My Asus CUV4X has not the AC97 on board (it's optional in my model)
> but i see the system trying to hang this module!
> What can i do?
> (in BIOS i've disabled the audio system already).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andrea
> mail to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the Award BIOS's on my FIC and MSI MB's, you have to disable the sound
in 2 places. Did you kill just the one?
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "no rule to make bzimage"
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:45:58 -0500
Dances With Crows wrote:
> On 8 Jun 2001 13:51:39 GMT, Jim staggered into the Black Sun and said:
>>In article <3b205478$0$62143$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>>Also, kernel 2.2.14 is a few months behind the times. The latest stable
>>>version is kernel 2.2.19, and the 2.4 series is just about ready for
>>>prime time. (Just MHO, 2.4.5 has so far shown none of the weird
>>>joystick, sound, or VIA chipset problems that plagued earlier 2.4
>>>kernels for me.)
>>
>>Which Via chipsets have had problems? I'm running the Via Apollo chipset
>>on an Abit KT7A-RAID motherboard using kernel 2.4.2. So far, anyway, it
>>seems well behaved ...
>
> The VIA686A and VIA686B had problems, specifically, hardware problems
> relating to the transfer of data from one IDE interface to another when
> DMA was enabled. The VIA686 is used on the KT7 and KT7-RAID. Are you
> using RedHat 7.1's stock kernel, by any chance? That has a special
> chunk of code that looks for a VIA686 chipset and disables DMA if it
> finds one. With the latest BIOS for my KT7 and kernel 2.4.5, I'm
> cooking along with DMA enabled at 23M/s. Check, and of course, YMMV.
>
If that is result from hdparm -tT, it seems to be in order. If it's from a
raw dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/dev/null test, you are pretty slow.
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From: Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I've the PCMCIA blues...
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:01:08 -0500
Michael Perry wrote:
>
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:53:44 -0500, Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm trying to get my laptop connected to my company's network through a
> > PCMCIA card. The network lets me connect through DHCP.
> >
> > If I install Mandrake 8.0 on it, it has a wizard that detects a borrowed
> > 3Com (3c575_cb) card and an iPort 10/100 (pcnet_cs) that I own and
> > properly connects me to the network and, from there, the internet.
> >
> > My problem is I really don't want Mandrake, I want Debian installed. I
> > have tried Storm and Progeny. The Storm won't connect me for nothing.
> > Progeny will connect with the 3Com card but not the iPort card. The
> > computer beeps and boops satisfyingly upon card insertion, and the hub
> > reports signal activity on the network cable. But for the iPort I can
> > get no connection.
> >
> > The Progeny distro has a Network configurer that I set my local name to
> > 'localhost', have no name for the remote host, use DHCP and "card is
> > removable". But it doesn't seem to do anything with that information.
> >
> > I've wandered through the PCMCIA HOWTO and looked at /etc/pcmcia.conf
> > and the files in /etc/pcmcia, but without any enlightenment.
> >
> > So, what must I do to a Debian-based installation to get the system to
> > recognize and communicate through that pcnet_cs PCMCIA ethernet card?
> >
> >
> > Jerome Mrozak.
>
> Well, you need to verify that whatever version of debian you are doing has
> a version of pcmcia services which support your card.
the modules for pcnet_cs.{something}.0 exist in the modules subdirectory
under the kernel, the same directory as for the 3c575_cb module.
> Lets say we do it
> another way. Lets say you find out that the version of pcmcia supports a
> 3com card but does not support the other. You can do a network installation
> or a cd install of debian potato and you are fine. So what I do at this
> point, is download a new kernel, get the packages I know I need to compile a
> kernel (like libncurses5-dev and bin86) and also download the newest pcmcia
> sources (not debian). One thing here and its a caveat. I don't do debian
> kernels or pcmcia. I then install the kernel and add packages using the
> existing card services. I could then remove the older card services and
> compile the new card services and still use the older pc card or I could
> start using the new card. You could download a few deb packages for things
> you know you will need for the network setup you are bringing the laptop
> into.
> You could physically download the dhcpcd or pump deb packages and
> hold them until needed and then install the packages using dpkg.
>
The kernel supports PCMCIA. I see the services loaded. I see the
detection of the PC-card slots. I hear the beep and boop when the card
is inserted and removed.
I had pump installed, along with dhcp-client. I decided to also add
dhcpcd, for fun. With any configuration of those, no luck with the
pcnet_cs card. Works OK for the other card.
> If you do it this way, you will not have a debianized kernel or pcmcia
> services. To me, its not a big deal. Be aware though that the stock potato
> out of the box will not do 2.4 without some additions.
>
> There are perhaps other ways to do this also. The pcmcia related files in a
> debian install are in /etc. I usually play with things like wireless at
> home and at work and also set up pcmcia schemes so that I can boot a
> different network setup (dhcp at work, static at home). As long as you have
> an older card which always works, you can always get the additional missing
> package you need. I don't know much about progeny or storm. I tend to use
> the basic debian stuff.
Progeny asserts it is potato, but its install disks even include KDE
2.0.1. But I have pointed a progeny installation apt-get at debian
woody and got good results.
Now, if you have played with /etc/pcmcia*, is there some secret setting
that tells the system what kind of card I have, so that if I change the
setting a different card is detected?
> I do a potato install, then take it right up to
> unstable immediately. This is probably not what you want to do, so the
> usual disclaimers apply :)
>
> --
> Michael Perry
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --------------------
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Jerome Mrozak
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (3FE)
Subject: Re: REAL UNIX workstation for sale!!! (on eBay)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:11:59 GMT
On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:30:13 GMT, Tiikuli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:45:41 -0400, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >This machine screams!!!!
>
> Exact tech specs, thanks.
Indeed. I've a couple of "REAL UNIX workstation"s that as far as I
can tell are useless except with AIX (RS/6000 7011-250). I'm having a
devil of a time finding out why.
--
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
TopQuark Software & Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Give up Spammers; I use procmail.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (3FE)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: 3-button PS/2 mouse config?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:18:16 GMT
On 4 Jun 2001 08:04:16 -0700, starfire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Emulate3Timeo ut 50
Does no one but me see a <CTRL>-L in there? Just after the "o" and
before the "u".
With three button ps2 mouse, you should disable emulate three button.
You don't need to emulate nothin'.
I love these. Finally found Logitech is still making great three
button, ambidextrous, ps2 mice. Thanks L.
--
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
TopQuark Software & Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Give up Spammers; I use procmail.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim)
Subject: Re: "no rule to make bzimage"
Date: 9 Jun 2001 23:31:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>On 8 Jun 2001 13:51:39 GMT, Jim staggered into the Black Sun and said:
>>In article <3b205478$0$62143$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>
>>Which Via chipsets have had problems? I'm running the Via Apollo chipset
>>on an Abit KT7A-RAID motherboard using kernel 2.4.2. So far, anyway, it
>>seems well behaved ...
>
>The VIA686A and VIA686B had problems, specifically, hardware problems
>relating to the transfer of data from one IDE interface to another when
>DMA was enabled. The VIA686 is used on the KT7 and KT7-RAID. Are you
>using RedHat 7.1's stock kernel, by any chance? That has a special
>chunk of code that looks for a VIA686 chipset and disables DMA if it
>finds one. With the latest BIOS for my KT7 and kernel 2.4.5, I'm
>cooking along with DMA enabled at 23M/s. Check, and of course, YMMV.
Hmmm ... Well, I'm using the KT7A-RAID, not the KT7-RAID. The motherboard
manual lists the chipset as VT82C686B, which sounds like the 686B you
mention. And, I'm running my own compilation of the kernel, with DMA
enabled.
However, I'm also running both hard drives off a single IDE interface,
IDE0, as master/slave. The only things on another IDE interface are the
CD-ROM, and an LS-120 on IDE1. So far, I'm not using IDE2 and IDE3 on
the Highpoint controller at all. I have enabled DMA.
Perhaps the simplicity of my configuration, with both drives on IDE0,
is what is saving me from grief?
Thanks,
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim)
Subject: Re: "no rule to make bzimage"
Date: 9 Jun 2001 23:39:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>Are you
>using RedHat 7.1's stock kernel, by any chance?
Incidentally, I am using the Red Hat 7.1, 2.4.2 kernel, but my own
recompilation of it, not the supplied bzImage ...
Jim
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From: guesswho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Good GUI mail clients?
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 16:42:12 -0700
I'm currently using KMAIL, which meets my needs nicely. However, I'm
looking for other mail clients with support for the following:
multiple mailboxes
POP
IMAP
filtering
message searching
mbox
MIME
Anyone out there care to recommend a STABLE mail client that supports the
above? The reason I'm looking is that I'm considering a move to the GNOME
environment. Client must be GPLed.
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I use GNU/Linux and support the Free Software Foundation. This message was
composed and transmitted using Free software, licensed under the General
Public License.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Subject: Re: I've the PCMCIA blues...
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:04:50 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:01:08 -0500, Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now, if you have played with /etc/pcmcia*, is there some secret setting
> that tells the system what kind of card I have, so that if I change the
> setting a different card is detected?
>
I played a bit there. PRimarily to get wireless working. If you poke
around there, the primary card database file is in /etc/pcmcia. I think its
called config. The next file I have edited, allows you to control which
IRQs are handed out for the cards. That would be config.opts. If you need
to setup multiple "schemes", you would want to edit network.opts there.
There are basically two types of pcmcia card controllers I have read. One
does something called tcic and I cannot recall the other. I primarily use
3com and linksys cards and they work without changing irq settings.
The card database includes every card that the pcmcia service is gonna
support for the version you have. The config.opts file will let you include
and exclude irqs and integrate new modules. Here is what I found for the
pcnet_cs drivers on the web:
http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/man/pcnet_cs.4.html - this page appears to
define what cards are supported, what switches they take, etc. Its written
by the same guy that does pcmcia-cs, David Hinds.
I think you need to find out what version of pcmcia_cs is running in progeny
or storm and compare it to the supported cards for that version. If the
specific card is not supported by that version of the pcmcia services, you
will have to upgrade thath specific package or download and compile a later
version of the sources that will support the card you need.
The real thing is that since pcmcia-cs is released quite often and new cards
either added or enhanced, you may find that the version of pcmcia-cs has a
driver which may not work with certain varieties of cards and that the newer
drivers do. I have spent some time on pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net reading the
pcmcia howto and also on the linux on laptops page looking for clues. By
far, the pcmcia HOWTO provides the best and most consolidated information
for card support. You can also read forum materials there.
Pretty handy site.
--
Michael Perry
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