Linux-Misc Digest #69, Volume #21 Sun, 18 Jul 99 09:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Can "top" memory use stats be trusted? (Graham Higgins)
Re: Shutdown won't Power-off using SuSE-6.1 (Shaw Carruthers)
Re: My crazy email scheme (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: CIA assassinations (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Connect to ISP when phone rings: is this possible? (TAT)
Re: Slackware problem... ("Dale Benjamin")
Marx vs. Nozick (Richard Kulisz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: How to Change Typmatic Rate? (fred smith)
Re: ftape doesn't compile (fred smith)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
extract files form image (sunchange lee)
Dial up to isp (Robert Schweikert)
Re: Bogomips wrong? (Arjen Krap)
Re: kppp and Netscape (Can't connect) (Rahul Tripathi)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Best tape drive for Linux? (Dale Coleman)
HylaFAX and e-tech modem PC56RVP (Charles Stroom)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:52:10 +0100
From: Graham Higgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can "top" memory use stats be trusted?
Hi,
I'm puzzled. I have four Linux boxes, each with different hardware
(PII/133, Cyrix/233, Cyrix/266, PIII/450), each running a different
RedHat kernel (2.0.27, 2.2.5-15, 2.2.5-22, 2.2.10) and each with
different amounts of memory (64Mb, 96Mb, 128Mb, 512Mb) but all running
much the same processes. After running for a day or so, all of them
report (via "top" and "free") max memory use and even a little bit of
swap.
Okay, I can believe the PII/133/64Mb might get maxed out, but there's
absolutely no way the the PIII/450/500Mb box should be using all its
memory.
What I find even more confusing is that I can't make the arithmetic
work. When I mentally sum the memory apparently used by the processes,
it just doesn't match the total value reported by top.
The Cyrix/266 is running only basic system daemons, nothing expensive.
There a apaprently 50-odd processes running, 6 of which are just over
1Mb, the rest are significantly sub-1Mb and there's a clutch of nfs
procs at 0Mb - yet the total used is apparently 128Mb.
What makes me suspicious of the process accounting is: the PIII/450
kicks off after reboot with a sensible 40Mb use, after firing up an 8Mb
CMUCL-driven CL-HTTP as a test it rises to 125Mb use (rather
extravagant but I can live with it). Left overnight on the local Lan
(i.e. zero use of the server) it rises to 514Mb and has even dug into
swap by 7Mb.
Perhaps a leak on the PIII/450 then? But ...
I then start my bloated Apache - (5-6Mb per process * 8 processes) plus
(8 * 8.5Mb) java JServ processes (that, I'm given to understand, *is*
incorrect, there is only *one* java process there). Well, that's quite
a chunk of memory required, at least 50Mb. However, top reports no
change in memory use, not even in swap.
I then actually trigger the java engine by calling a servlet and the 8
java processes leap upwards to 46Mb each (er, what?!).
Top remains unpeturbed by this - RAM and swap use totals are exactly
the same as reported before.
I then stop the httpd server and guess what? total memory use drops by
50Mb - as one would expect. However, repeating the start/stop of the
server has no further effect on top's reporting.
Am I missing something here?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shaw Carruthers)
Subject: Re: Shutdown won't Power-off using SuSE-6.1
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:55:56 +0100
"Youngert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I used RedHat 6.0 and everytime I issue a shutdown command from the KDE
>logon icon, my computer would be brought down to halt with the power off
>within 5 seconds. I replaced my RedHat-6.0 package with SuSE-6.1 and the
>shutdown process will not power off the computer except just halted the
>computer and switch the Master Resource Control to runlevel 0.
>
>Has anyone ever noticed the weird behaviour on his/her Linux using SuSE-6.1
>distro?
This is a known problem , if you look at the fixes for SuSE 6.1 on the
Suse website you will find a solution( add -p to the last line of
/etc/rc.d/halt).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: My crazy email scheme
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:40:30 GMT
Andrew de los Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
>here's the problem. I have an account ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), but I
>also have an account at NetForward ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Mail to
>NetForward gets forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this way if I
>change my ISP...) When I send mail out, chicagonet refuses to let me put
>my return address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] (to prevent spam).
Use a
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
header instead.
>So here's my idea. Why not eliminate mail.chicagonet.net from the
>outgoing chain? Like this:
>dynamic dialup IP - My Computer (I write message to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> |
> | (Protocol unknown to me)
SMTP
> V
>mail.sprint.net
> |
> | (POP3 Commands)
> V
>Joe's computer (floating IP)
>this way sprint gets what it wants and I can say my address is
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[...]
This will most likely not work, since I doubt that mail.sprint.net
will let you relay mail through it. If it does, then it is broken.
(and will end up in the RBL)
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:58:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:12:30 +0600...
..and Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthias Warkus wrote:
> > Normally, the poor aren't poor by their own fault, and the rich
> > haven't become rich by their own initiative. So it's logical to take
> > the money that the rich don't need and normally wouldn't have and give
> > it to the poor who would normally have it.
> That's an awful lot of absolute statements. Why would I accept any of
> that?
Why would I accept any of the diametrically opposite statements that
are equally absolute?
> > It's easy. <grins,ducks&runs>
> Yes, like everything stupid, it is <g>.
Rather than just calling the argument stupid, try to refute it.
mawa
--
Face it, Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being
a villain in a James Bond movie.
-- Dennis Miller
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From: TAT
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Connect to ISP when phone rings: is this possible?
Date: 18 Jul 1999 11:28:25 GMT
Thanks a lot Robert. I got ringconnectd, works like a charm :)
In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi. I know of two programs on the market that can do this. There are
> probably more... Take a look at ringconnectd and xringd. Both should
> be available at your local sunsite mirror. I have used ringconnectd
> in the past and it worked perfectly.
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From: "Dale Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware problem...
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:02:25 -0700
Unigni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have a CD with Slackware Linux 3.4 on it, and have successfully
> installed it and used it a bit on my computer ages ago (but then gave up
> and returned to Windows).
> However, I'm now trying to use Linux on my new computer. I put in all
> the boot and root disks, log in, start fdisk to set the partitions, and
> then either straight away or a bit later while running setup, it just
> stops - caps lock key light doesn't work, ctrl+alt+del doesn't work,
> nothing works - and I have to press the reset button.
That happened to me with the Aug '98 Infomagic distribution of Slackware,
I was doing the install with boot and root floppies. Half a dozen times I
must
have tried, and it always went south after installing the modem and I told
it I
didn't want to try any custom screen fonts. Then I saw that the cdrom disc
could be booted, tried it,and it installed fine. 333 Celeron, 32 megs Ram.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 18 Jul 1999 11:35:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Socialism works in well-defined parts of the society (e.g.
>agricultural cooperatives; NB I'm not talking about Kolchozes, but
>about the kind of cooperative you find in Germany), as does
>capitalism.
The free market works in NO situation. Capitalism, understood as
dictatorship by the capitalists, "works" only if human dignity and
human needs are irrelevant.
>It's the Marxist-Leninists' fault to think one can run a whole society
>on socialism as well as it is the Libertarians' fault that one can run
>the works on capitalism.
Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship. You can't run
the world on destruction alone but you sure as bloody hell *can*
run it on construction alone! The same applies to honesty vs. lies
in moral philosophy. The situation is *not* symmetric.
So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 18 Jul 1999 11:20:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Kulisz wrote:
>> Socialism collapsed around 1920 in the Soviet Union.
>That's a pronouncement. In the absence of supporting argument we are
>unable to agree with <g>. Define your terms first.
Marxism => Socialism => Democracy
Any and all democracy collapsed around 1920 in the Soviet Union.
>> A 'soviet' is, literally, a democratic worker's organization so the
>> "Soviet system" just means Democracy.
>Why do you capitalize "Soviet" than? But ok, we can take it in this
>sense.
For the same reason I capitalized Democracy, to emphasize.
>? That's absolutely not true. There was hardly any military action
>between the Soviets and 'invading capitalist nations'. The bloody
Can you recommend a book on the period?
>> And you might want to read up on Marxism before you declare it's bullshit;
>Your assumption is that I not familiar with it, which may be wrong since
Anyone who says that Marxism (revolutionary democracy) is bullshit
ideologically, must be an ideologically brainwashed idiot or unfamiliar
with it. While there is no lack of brainwashed idiots, propaganda has
done more than its share of damage so I was giving you the benefit of
the doubt.
>you can't know one way or another. Therefore I take this line as a
>personal attack and disregard it. Iow, this line is no argument and
>doesn't need to be here.
No more than your calling Marxism bullshit.
>> it's had enormous appeal for millions of oppressed people so it must be
>> doing *something* right.
>Millions of people thought the earth was flat. Iow, I don't know what
>this "so" is doing here. The two parts are logically unrelated.
>Someone's being oppressed doesn't automatically makes him virtuous or
No, it doesn't. What it means is that when someone offers them a way
out of oppression (through self-emancipation in Marxism, through a
Messiah in christianity), they'll grab for it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 18 Jul 1999 11:24:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In fact, even kolkhozes type of deal work--depending on where it's
>applied. In Israel they had something similar (forgot the term) and it
Kibbutz?
>worked--because it was accepted by people and done willingly. It depends
>on people's traditions and customs.
>
>> It's the Marxist-Leninists' fault to think one can run a whole society
>> on socialism as well as it is the Libertarians' fault that one can run
>> the works on capitalism.
>A very good point.
A very bad point. The situation is *NOT* symmetric.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: How to Change Typmatic Rate?
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:34:48 GMT
Stuart R. Fuller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: fred smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: : Andreas Hinz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: : : On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:47:34 -0700, Scott Galloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : : >
: : : For the console, look at 'kbdrate'
: : : For X look at 'xset'.
: :
: : Many PC's have options in their CMOS SETUP for changing the keyboard
: : repeat rate and the delay before repeat begins. This seems the best way
: : to do it because you then don't need to run an extra program to set it.
: However, X takes over the keyboard and implements its own rate and delay.
: Hence, if running X, you need to use 'xset'.
I haven't noticed X reprogramming my keyboard. Perhaps it does it only if
you use xset (which I don't).
Fred
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
For the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
============================== Romans 6:23 (niv) ==============================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: ftape doesn't compile
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:36:05 GMT
Adam Adair ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Miikka Laakko wrote:
: >Once again I tried to compile ftape, but...
: >
: >fdc-io.c: In function fdc_interrupt_wait':
: >fdc-io.c:433: structure has no member named timeout'
: >fdc-io.c:454: structure has no member named timeout'
: >make[2]: *** [fdc-io.o] Error 1
: >make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/src/ftape-4.03-pre-2/ftape/lowlevel'
: >make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2
: >make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/ftape-4.03-pre-2/ftape'
: >make: *** [all] Error 2
: >
: >...is all I get out of it. What might be the problem?
Last I heard, if you are using a 2.2.x kernel you need (must!) get the latest
'unstable' ftape sources from the ftape site and compile with them. Failure
to do so reportedly results in errors like you describe.
Fred
: I am having the same problems as well. I've tried to compile on a SuSE 6.1,
: and Red Hat 5.2 and 6.0 systems. I get the exact same message on each system.
: I looked into the code
: one of the offending lines looks like this:
: current->timeout = jiffies + (1000 * time + FT_USPT - 1) / FT_USPT;
: But I can't find anywhere in the code where current is declared, so I can't
: look at the structure.
: -Adam
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
For the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
============================== Romans 6:23 (niv) ==============================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 18 Jul 1999 11:42:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Planned economies of any sort have inherent problems. They don't always
Yes. This is also why Karl Marx refused to plan and why Marxism is
characterized by a lack of such planning.
>seem to tranform into something totalitarian, but the groundwork has
>already been laid, as it were. Try "The Road to Serfdom" by H.A. Hayek.
Hayek is a Libertarian; that implies a certain systematic idiocy that
can't possibly make his shit worth reading.
>> The Soviet system was great, until it moved away from
>> the Soviet system and became Stalinist.
>
>What Soviet system? Agriculture in the Soviet Union was only worthy
You should find out what "soviet" means.
>of the name before it was collectivised. Ironic that the only functional
>agricultural system the Soviet Union ever had was free enterprise in nature.
Are you referring to the *serf* based FEUDALISM of the Czar Alexander II?!?
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From: sunchange lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: extract files form image
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:03:29 +0000
hi:
anybody know if there is a method or tool by which i can extract files
from image file(*.img) into hard disk without using a floppy.
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From: Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dial up to isp
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:58:38 -0400
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Hello,
I just upgraded to RedHat 6-0 and tried to use my existing script to
access my ISP account. I wrote thte script for use with pppd on RedHat
5.1. Now I get the following error.
"Can't open options file path/.ppprc"
If I create an empty options file I get the following:
"connect option cannot be overridden"
The original script uses a chatscript to connect to the ISP and has
various options such as -detach bsdcompress etc.
Any quick instructions on how to get this working again?
Thanks,
Robert
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From: Arjen Krap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bogomips wrong?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:13:38 +0200
Birk bremer wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have two computer systems, a AMD K6II 350 and a PIII 450
> at /proc/cpuinfo the PIII shows only 110 and the K6II
> has 699.6.
> Can this numer be correct or is there a problem with linux
> (suse 6.1) and a PIII. I also have the feeling that the PIII
> IS slower than the other one
>
> CU Birk
Your primary/internal cache on your PIII could be set to disabled. This
really slows your computer down.
To enable your primary/internal cache, go to your BIOS setup, and
enable CPU internal cache.
On most BIOS's you may find this option in the BIOS feature setup
screen.
Save and Exit, and you will probable notice the difference right away
during the memory check and the boot up.
For more information see BogoMips-mini-howto. You would probably find it
in /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini.
Otherwise look at the LDP site or some Linux ftp sites.
Good Luck,
Arjen Krap
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rahul Tripathi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.windows.x.kde,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: kppp and Netscape (Can't connect)
Date: 18 Jul 1999 12:36:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Viper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >How many Windoze machines do you know of with 365+ day uptimes? Did you
>> know
>> >that it's literally impossible for a Win'95 machine to run longer than
> 57
>> >days?
>>
>> Like anything else, you have to put things into perspective, it's how
> the
>> machine is set up and how the hardware is configured. I'm sure there are
>> machines that run longer than 57 days. Who can really say?
> ANY win95 computer wihh crash after 57 days! It's a known problem!
I think that's true and documented, but there's also a patch for it
that you can download from MS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 18 Jul 1999 12:01:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Kulisz wrote:
>I think he meant that the said government was only a few months old, and
>was a result of a rather non-evolutionary development in its own right.
>And, unlike the red's enterprise to come, it did have some legality and
>was not a result of a putsch.
That's not what he wrote. And even if that's what he meant (a big
stretch) how is that relevant to the will to revolt of the Russians?
Russians does *not* mean "government of Russia" or "elite elements
of Russian society" even though that's precisely how most people
use that word.
>Conquest, for one. I can actually find the page if you want. The german
>general staff fed them money all the while in order to destabilize
>Russia, which they were at war with. After all, how did Lenin get in
>Russia in the first place?
<rolleyes> Not that it mattered. The peasants were already pissed
at the Czar (remember, this is a nation that still had *serfs*)
and he'd just handed them all guns. You can't get any more unstable
than that. Besides, Russians revolted in 1905 as well as 1917.
>> The problem with guaranteed employment and lack of incentives
>> can be solved in ways far better than starving people to death.
>Yes, you can shoot them too <g>.
can be solved in ways far better than condemning people to death
of any kind.
>> <rolleyes> That wasn't communism or socialism, it was mere collectivism.
>I'm sure the millions of uninvolved people who had been murdered would
>care a lot for that argument.
I can just see it; when people start pointing out that the Nazis weren't
socialist, some idiot is going to emulate you and say "I'm sure the Jews
would care a lot for that argument."
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From: Dale Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Best tape drive for Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:07:44 -0400
Hi all, I was hoping somebody could help me select a good tape drive for use on
Linux.
Has anybody used the HP 5 or 8 GB internal (EIDE) or external (Parallel) drive?
=================
This message is also a test for KRN - just got it running.
My e-mail is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
Dale
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Stroom)
Subject: HylaFAX and e-tech modem PC56RVP
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:22:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If anyone has a config.tty file for an e-tech Bullet faxmodem PC56RVP
which works under HylaFAX (SuSE 6.1), I would be grateful for having
a copy. I have been trying to get the modem to work, but the best
received so far was sending repeatedly page 1 (the cover page)
of a 2-page test fax (to a real fax machine) and never sending page 2!
any other clue would also be appreciated.
Thanks
--
Charles Stroom
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
url: http://www.stroom-schreurs.demon.nl/
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