Linux-Misc Digest #69, Volume #26 Wed, 18 Oct 00 06:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("David Fulton")
Re: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ? (Werner Kliewer)
Reading Unix Man pages in Windows ? ("Dennis")
Re: StarOffice or Applixware (J Sloan)
Re: Need help with size of fonts (J Sloan)
Re: Reading Unix Man pages in Windows ? (Robert Kiesling)
Re: file is *really* tough to delete (Eric)
Re: chmod??? (Eric)
Re: Reading Unix Man pages in Windows ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: moving swap partition (Attn gurus) (Eric)
Biezacy katalog w Promp'cie (Gallileo)
Re: Kernel compiling problem (Rafael)
Re: Linux cdrecord DESPERATE!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: file is *really* tough to delete ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: file is *really* tough to delete ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need help with dual boot install Win 98/Red Hat 6.2 (McKarpan)
Re: DELL LATITUDE C600 and Red Hat compatibility issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: postgresql : lo_export to stdout ?
Re: Star office accesses my hard drive every few seconds!? ("martin")
Intel 810 chipset problem (Jerzy Blaszczynski)
Re: StarOffice or Applixware ("Alex Meaden")
Please recommend a DHCP, DDNS & Netbios NameServer ("Paul")
Try_Catch problem ("Ludwig Stroobant")
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From: "David Fulton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:17:16 -0600
Do you want an RFC, it is a very complicated technology and I am not about
to start explaining it in a NG where it has at best a vague relevance in an
already off topic discussion.
"Dustin Puryear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:36:46 -0600, David Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >I stand corrected then "many people" as opposed to some.
> >
> >Btw, the other ATM stands for Asynchronous Transfer Mode and is a
networking
> >technology that allows for differing types of transmissions. There are
some
> >educational institutions that use it for phone, video, and Internet, all
on
> >one line.
>
> Not the best definition of ATM that I've ever heard..
>
> --
> Dustin Puryear <$email = "dpuryear"."@usa.net";>
> Integrate Linux Solutions into Your Windows Network
> - http://www.prima-tech.com/integrate-linux
>
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Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ?
From: Werner Kliewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:32:07 CDT
But the commercial **IX's are just like that.
They do not have the init.d directories in the same place.
Each has it's own version of software maintenance tools. Etc.
If you want to learn **IX, at that level, you have to try them all.
In article <WI4H5.21775$tL4.262249@zonnet-reader-1>, J.H.Delaney wrote:
> From: "J.H.Delaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
> Subject: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ?
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:50:52 +0200
>
> Hi there.
>
> Since a few months I have to work with a commercial *nix version at work, so
> it seemed like a good idea to install linux at my system at home, just as a
> learning experience. But after having tried out a few distro's, namely
> RedHat and SuSe, it seems to me like every linux distro is trying very hard
> to set itself apart from every other distro by doing almost everything there
> own way and including a lot of distro specific add-ons, and including a lot
> of stuff that is not commonly found on commercial unices.
>
> It would help me learn *nix in general more quickly if, for example, I dont
> have to learn two different ways of how the init.d directories are layed
> out, or keep remembering (forgetting) that Linux does 'adduser', but most
> commercial *nixes do 'useradd'.
>
> So I was wondering which distro comes closest to a generic commercial *nix ?
>
>
> Any and all suggestions are more than welcome.
>
Werner Kliewer
in Winnipeg
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From: "Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reading Unix Man pages in Windows ?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:44:11 +1000
Hi all....
Anyone know of a windows utility thaty can read unix man pages ?
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: StarOffice or Applixware
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:14:58 GMT
I have used Applix and it's pretty fair, but when it totally
choked trying to import a powerpoint file, I tried StarOffice,
which opened and displayed it with no problem. I don't
like that SO is such a huge beast that takes over the
whole desktop, but the price is great and the powerpoint
support is the best I've found.
The next version of SO will be much better, since it
will have been reworked by the gnome development
team, and componentized.
"Brian F. G. Bidulock" wrote:
> Lamar,
>
> I've been using Applixware for years: check out
> http://www.vistasource.com/
> I like it. It is quite close the the way MSWord used to work on the
> Mac.
> Latest releases work nicely with Gnome.
>
> I have tried both StarOffice and Corel WordPerfect for Linux and (IMHO,
> and
> without wanting to start a ladder of flames), I always go back to
> Applixware
> quite quickly. I find that it still has the best support for working
> with
> MS Word, PowerPoint, etc. which I exchange regularly with coworkers.
>
> I have successfully been using Linux in a Windows dominated office
> environment
> for two years now, and Applixware has helped me do it.
>
> Applixware is not cheap (current releases are far more expensive than
> previous ones), but it is competitively priced with comparison to Corel
> WordPerfect. I picked up my last copy at CompUSA, so it shouldn't be
> hard
> to find.
>
> LinuxCentral provides drop-shipped shrink-wrap, if you're home-bound.
>
> --Brian
>
> Lamar Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I just installed RH Linux on my system for the first time and now I need an
> > office suite. I have read about Applixware and StarOffice but have not
> > beeen able to find them. Can someone tell me where I can get them? Are
> > they free (i.e. like Linux) or do you have to pay for them? Thanks for your
> > help.
> >
> > Lamar
>
> --
> Brian F. G. Bidulock
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.openss7.org/
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Need help with size of fonts
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:16:55 GMT
How to adjust font size?
That depends, what desktop environment are you running?
gnome has it's font system, kde has it's own, and apps like
netscape have their own.
You might also want to install some truetype fonts.
jjs
Lamar Thomas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed a new video card (NVidia TNT2 Model 64 w/32MB of RAM) and
> it work just fine. Maybe a little too good! All of my fonts are so small I
> can't read a darn thing! When I run "Xconfigurator" I can change the
> resolution (i.e. from 1600x1200 to 800x600) but nothing works. I even tried
> 640x480 with no luck. Can anyone tell me how to get bigger fonts? Thanks
> for your help.
>
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Subject: Re: Reading Unix Man pages in Windows ?
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Oct 2000 02:12:18 -0400
"Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all....
>
> Anyone know of a windows utility thaty can read unix man pages ?
A combination of nroff and less works nicely. Ms-Loss versions are
available at finer archives everywhere.
--
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:27:54 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Schlemmer wrote:
>
> Cameron Hutchison wrote:
>
> > To remove a file you must have permission to modify the directory
> > that points to the file. So, check the perms of /usr/bin to see
> > that you can delete from there.
>
> Um, this is being done as root.
>
> -jim
So what?
if the permissions of /usr/bin are set to non writeable for anyone, not
even root can write there. Root could ofcourse make that directory
writeable again, and then remove the file. Just issue the `ls -al .`
command, and see what that returns
Eric
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: chmod???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:57:47 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johannes G�tz wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> > Why would you want a newly created file have the executable bits set?
> > Only executables (and directories) will have this bit used
>
> I set up a www/ftp server. Directories that are uploaded by the users should
> have the x-attributes set to let everybody change into that directory. The x
> attribute is not wanted for normal files...
> Is it possible to do that with a chmod directly in the ftpconversion-file? I
> read the manpage but the options are not explained there so I don�t know
> what to do. (I use in.ftpd / ftpd
I don't know much about ftp servers, so perhaps this is not usable, but
you could alias mkdir to mkdir -m555 perhaps?
But i would expect mkdir to use the umask option correctly. Newly
created files would be ugo=r, but newly created directories should be
ugo=rx
>
> > It's a (not) *mask*
> > The bits you enable in the mask, will be disabled in the created files.
> > so umask=222 means that all the write bits are disabled
> >
> > Eric
>
> Oh! I understand! I can�t use the mask to *SET* attributes but prevent the
> attributes from being set?
That's a very good way to think about it :-)
Eric
>
> Thanks
> Johannes G�tz
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Reading Unix Man pages in Windows ?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:36:30 GMT
In article <8sjd2f$n39$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all....
> Anyone know of a windows utility thaty can read unix man pages ?
Ah, telnet? =B^)
Really though, all seriousness aside,
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~tmgil/misc/wingroff.html
- tony
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: moving swap partition (Attn gurus)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:03:45 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TM wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I currently have a swap partition on a distinct physical disk than the
> system.
> Is there someone who already moved the swap partition from there to
> here?
> I'd like to know how.
>
> Thanks
never done it, but it goes like this
1) create new local swappartition
2) mkswap <swap-part>
3) add new swap-partition to fstab
4) swapon <swap-part>
5) swapoff <old-swap>
6) remove old swappartition from fstab
Eric
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From: Gallileo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Biezacy katalog w Promp'cie
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:42:40 +0200
Wiem ze to moze prymitywny problem ale czy ktos
moglby mi wyjasnic jak ma wygladac
zmienna prompt abym wlasnie w owym prompcie mial zawsze
biezaca kartoteke? typu /home/user1 ?
korzystam z Red Hat'a tak na marginiesie.
Odp. prosze na priva ponizej.
Dziekuje i pozdrawiam.
Gallileo.
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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for lazy ones: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel compiling problem
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:53:16 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks, after set yes to experimental drivers I could compile support for
realtek driver.
Rafael
Vilmos Soti wrote:
> Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I compiled last kernel 2.2.17 but when I wanted setup config using "make
> > xconfig" option to choose network card realtek was not active. Why? What
> > should I do to get my reltek card
> > be compiled as module???? Or whotever.
>
> Things can be greyed out if they are incomplete/experimental. Maybe
> your driver is such. I don't know. You can get that option in the
> "Code Maturity Options".
>
> Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux cdrecord DESPERATE!!!
Date: 18 Oct 2000 00:56:01 -0700
TTS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> # cdrecord -version
> Cdrecord 1.9 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg Schilling
>
> kernel 2.2.17 with SCSI emulation.
>
> HP 7200i drive
>
> # hdparm -t -T /dev/hda
>
> /dev/hda:
> Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 1.37 seconds = 93.43 MB/sec
> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 12.77 seconds = 5.01 MB/sec
>
> All the suden I cant do one single good CD, even from a ISO image!!!
>
> Writing time: 2317.990s
> Fixating...
> cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
> CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: F0 00 05 00 00 00 00 19 00 08 3A 02 2C 04 00 00
...<snip>...
First thing I'd do in this situation is check my cables. Same goes for
a lot of hardware.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:51:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Schlemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted and wrote:
> Robert Surenko wrote:
...
>> Although, I'm not in front of a system right now but it seems to me
>> that maybe the file is "open" by some process.
>
> I wondered this myself -- or wondered if somehow the file was locked.
> I doubt this is what's happening though, as I've found a few other
> files that exhibit the same traits. These 'undeleteable' files are
> apparently authentic too, not trojan versions. This tends to make me
> believe that there's inode confusion or something.
...
It would be good to eliminate the possibility of an open file(s)
definitively, though.
Get the source code for an Intel Solaris "lsof" (List Open Files) from
http://sunfreeware.com; it will ./Configure, make and make install on
Linux.
For this purpose, the command is:
lsof /usr/bin/ftpcount
and you will get the PID of any process that is using the file, as well
as some other nifty information such as inode, FD, the user, the command
invocation, device etc.
lsof is a must-have tool in any Administrator's bag o' tricks, e.g:
!! See what resources a PID is using
lsof -p ####
!! What processes are using a range of ports?
lsof -i :80-10000,17000,19007-19010
!! What's that user up to?
lsof -u user
HTH,
- tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:00:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Schlemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted and wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> To be safe you need to low level format all the drives in this system
>> and start over. If somebody got in then you better beleive that they
>> changed
>
> Unfortunately, it's looking like you're right.
>
>> a lot more than your ftp deamon files.
>
> Really?
...
Yes, indeed he's right; see
http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2000-10.html for the recently
posted (Friday, September 15, 2000) wu-ftpd vulnerabilities and a list
of what files on your box are probably compromised.
- tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKarpan)
Date: 18 Oct 2000 08:22:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Need help with dual boot install Win 98/Red Hat 6.2
>This cannot be true.
>Perhaps I do not understand you completely. Have you reinstalled windows
>after you were unable to boot it? How do you "move linux back to the
>windows partition?"
>
>There are a few things you should post here if you want my help:
>1) the result of `fdisk -l /dev/hda` (ie. linux fdisk, NOT dos)
>2) the content of the file /etc/lilo.conf
>
>Eric
I didn't have to reinstall windows, I rebooted the system with Red Hat's
startup disk and chose to reinstall Linux. On the disk they offer a
partitionless install where Linux is actually installed on the same partition
as Windows. You can then start Linux with a special boot disk. Only it runs
much slower when installed this way.
To get the info you asked for I'll have to reinstall Linux to where it is
giving me trouble. I have work and school tomorrow, so I'll probably post
again on Thursday.
Thanks for taking the time to help
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DELL LATITUDE C600 and Red Hat compatibility issues
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:52:35 GMT
Just buy an ethernet pccard. I have a 10/100 LinkSys card which only
cost $50 and works great.
:Chris
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Evan Panagiotopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am planning on buying that laptop. Any comments? I saw in
> http://www.redhat.com that the Xircom Ethernet adapter that Dell is
> offering is NOT compatible with Red Hat.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Evan Panagiotopoulos
> Library/Media Technology Director
> Poughkeepsie City School District
> �
>
>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: postgresql : lo_export to stdout ?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:10:06 -0000
This works perfectly when in psql mode, at the condition that you know the
oid. What I'm trying to do is creating a shell script calling psql
non-interactively. I've tried with the psql -c option, but the result that
comes out via /dev/stdout is not the content of the file but a message
telling me that one large object has been exported. I don't know where the
file "went"...
Moritz
ljb wrote:
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hello !
> >
> >I'm using Postgresql 7.0.2-6, and I would like to use the lo_export
> >statement in a shell script calling psql. What I would like to do is for
> >psql to grab the large object and, instead of writing it to a file, to
> >write it to stdout so that I can input it directly into a program. In
this
> >case the large objects are web pages that I would like to send directly
to
> >lynx. Right now the only technique I've found is exporting to a file,
> >reading that file with lynx and then erasing it once done. Not very
> >elegant...
> >
> >Any ideas ?
>
> From psql, try using /dev/stdout as the filename, like:
> \lo_export <oid> /dev/stdout
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From: "martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star office accesses my hard drive every few seconds!?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:10:03 +0100
Hi,
How much RAM do you have? I know the new StarOffice is pretty big, so maybe
it's using lots of your swap-partition?
M.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8siqja$ktm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Anyone know what causes Star Office to access my hard drive every
> few seconds and how to make it stop that?
>
> The older Star Office doesn't do this but now that I have a newer
> version it's acting up with this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Tony
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerzy Blaszczynski)
Subject: Intel 810 chipset problem
Date: 18 Oct 2000 09:47:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do you know where may I find linux drivers
for Intel 810 graphic card?
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From: "Alex Meaden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: StarOffice or Applixware
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:58:25 +0100
StarOffice can be downloaded free-of-charge from www.sun.com
"Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:VI8H5.330264$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I just installed RH Linux on my system for the first time and now I need
an
> office suite. I have read about Applixware and StarOffice but have not
> beeen able to find them. Can someone tell me where I can get them? Are
> they free (i.e. like Linux) or do you have to pay for them? Thanks for
your
> help.
>
> Lamar
>
>
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From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Please recommend a DHCP, DDNS & Netbios NameServer
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:59:01 +0100
Hi
I am the Unix administrator for a Council that uses Windows NT4 servers for
File and Print services to around 5000 PCs across a WAN.
We are looking to setup a number of DHCP servers (which all talk to each
other and share reservations and also lease details), we would like to have
these DHCP servers talking to a Dynamic DNS (Bind 8). A friend of mine
suggested using Linux to do this, however I need someone to let me know what
products would do this for me.
NT4 servers commonly find each other by means of a WINS server which is just
a NetBios nameserver that Microsoft have corrupted. Is it possible to find
a Linux product that does this?? I think Samba may offer this but I would
like that confirmed.
I am currently using RedHat Linux mainly becuase I had a copy of the
distribution, is this the best Linux to use??
Thanks, Paul.
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From: "Ludwig Stroobant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Try_Catch problem
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:02:59 GMT
I implemented a program in NT with some try_catch structures. Now, when I
try to port this program to linux, and a throw happens, I get the signal
SIGABRT. What could be the cause of this signal?
example:
{
...
try{
ReadFromIniFiles();
}
catch()
{
}
...
}
ReadFromIniFile()
{
ERROR = ReadKeyFromIniFile()...
if (ERROR)
{
throw ();
}
}
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