Linux-Misc Digest #771, Volume #23 Mon, 6 Mar 00 22:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Best 'Free' Backup Solution??? (Grant Edwards)
Re: Gtk+ errors (David Efflandt)
Re: New to Linux (Dances With Crows)
Re: Error message from remadmin : (TK421)
Re: no preinstalled windows? (Dances With Crows)
cdrecorder problem with HP6416SX, cdrecorder 1.8a29 (RedHat) (Bob Hart)
Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!! (Thomas F. Drescher)
Re: How to add new hardware in Linux? (Robert Heller)
Re: PPP needs 2 tries for session (Bill Unruh)
Re: RH on a laptop (Robert Heller)
Re: Red Hat Installation: How to get past the "Which driver" screen when you have
PCMCIA ethernet (Robert Heller)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Best 'Free' Backup Solution???
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:16:55 GMT
On 6 Mar 2000 23:24:37 GMT, Michael Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: I'd like to find out what people think the best 'Free' backup solution is
>: for Linux. Any and all comments welcome. Thanks in advance.
>
>cpio
dump/restore
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm RELIGIOUS!! I
at love a man with a
visi.com HAIRPIECE!! Equip me with
MISSILES!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Gtk+ errors
Date: 7 Mar 2000 02:27:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:52:48 -0600, Vlar Schreidlocke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I exit out of Gnome/Enlightenment there is a screen full of Gtk+
>errors. How can I get rid of these? Do I need to update some aspect of
>Gtk or Gnome that I have overlooked? I am running RH6.0 on this
>particular box.
RH6.1 does that too. Apparently something in gnome has invalid paths like
// in the middle of a path for tmp files. And the RH6.1 errata updates
for gnome still do nothing to correct that.
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David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://home.xnet.com/~efflandt/ http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: New to Linux
Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:44:06 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:56:17 GMT, Abid Khan <<8a19ht$dhh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
shouted forth into the ether:
>I am new to Linux but have 10 yeras of SCO and AIX experience, I was
>able to install Red Hat version 6 on 1 P11, 266 machine, now I need to
>know how to add user(s) and a SCSI tape drive (Adaptec cont and DAT
>drive), later I want to install a DigiBoard
$ man useradd
For the SCSI stuff and the DigiBoard, you'll probably have to recompile
the kernel, unless RedHat provided Adaptec XXXX support, SCSI tape
support, and DigiBoard support as modules. There is a rather detailed
document explaining the process at http://www.linuxdoc.org in the HOWTO
section; check that site out for a lot of useful information.
> one more thing how come I
>can't login as a root from a Windows machine using Telnet session, it's
>keep saying wrong password, I can login on the console using root with
>same password, do you have to have a different user added in order to
There's this thing called "Security" here. telnet traffic is often
unencrypted, and you don't want your root password traveling over an
insecure network, do you? The canonical way to do what you want is to use
ssh to connect to your Linux box as a normal user, then su to root. Since
all su attempts are logged, this tracks who became root when.
If you really need to log in directly as root from a non-local place, the
file /etc/securetty should contain a list of terminals from which root is
allowed to log in. (tty1-6 usually, can include ttyp1 .. ttypN or pts1 ..
ptsN) Have fun exploring the new Linux world--it's a whole new ballgame
compared to SCO and AIX in many ways....
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \ In the MS-DOStrix,
There is no Darkness in Eternity \----\ there is no fork().
But only Light too dim for us to see \
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From: TK421 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error message from remadmin :
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:44:25 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Frederic L. W. Meunier" wrote:
> A warning isn't an error. LC_ALL=C should help.
>
> --
> Fr�d�ric L. W. Meunier [Tel: +55-21-620-7173 - Niter�i-RJ Brasil]
> fredlwm@{olympiquedemarseille.org,{marseille.}nitnet.com.br}
thanks, that did it. what did i do?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: no preinstalled windows?
Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:49:04 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:20:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8a1i0e$jun$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Which [bigger] reseller sells desktop PCs without Windows on it?
>www.dell.com
>www.gateway.com
>www.micronpc.com
>www.e4me.com
> have all Windows preinstalled, and I sometimes I don't want to
> promote buying something I don't use.
Dell AFAIK had something a while back where they were selling Linux
preinstalled on laptops. They haven't exactly advertised this heavily.
The big resellers are still firmly in MS's pockets. If you want
good-quality machines running a Real OS, check Penguin Computing, VA
Linux, or buy parts and build your own. I heartily reccommend the last
approach; you know exactly what you're buying, the parts are better, and
no Windoze tax. Resellers often seem to use cheap parts to squeeze every
last cent of profit they can, and consumers suffer because of that.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \ In the MS-DOStrix,
There is no Darkness in Eternity \----\ there is no fork().
But only Light too dim for us to see \
===== Usenet: ceci n'est pas une guerre des flammes =====
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From: Bob Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cdrecorder problem with HP6416SX, cdrecorder 1.8a29 (RedHat)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:49:09 -0500
Hi-
I have an HP6416SX running on a Toshiba Satellite 1605CDS
notebook computer using an Adaptec SlimSCSI 1460 PCMCIA
card. I realize this drive isn't listed in the HOWTO, but the HOWTO
says most modern drives should be supported, since they are
nearly all MMC compliant. In addition, the previous model
is listed (4416S,as I recall) so I think it should work.
I can read CD's fine on my drive, so there are apparently
no SCSI issues.
I can write to the CD's I'm using on my other computer,
so the media is OK.
When I attempt a burn, my system completely hangs up
after the burn starts.
The Read/Write LED flickers between green and yellow.
Eventually (right about the 40-second SCSI time-out period
after the last time the light flickers) the system hangs
completely.
The CD's don't appear to have anything on them that I
can see.
I get the same result whether I pipe mkisofs output into
cdrecord or make an image first, and then cdrecord the
image. I also get the same result if I use speed=1 or speed=0.
Any help?
Thanks in advance.
-Bob
mkisofs -a -D -l -J -v /tmp | cdrecord dev=1,0 speed=2 -v -pad -xa2 -
Cdrecord release 1.8a29 Copyright (C)
TOC Type: 3 = CD-ROM XA mode 2
scsidev: '1,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0
atapi: 0
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 2
Response Format: : 2
Capabilities : SYNC
Vendo_info : 'YAMAHA '
Identifikation : 'CRW6416S '
Revision : '1.0c'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
Drive buf size : 1566432 = 1529 KB
FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data unknown length padsize: 30kb
Total size: 0 MB (00:00.00) = 0 sectors
Lout start: 0 MB (00:02/00) = 0 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 5
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
ATIP start of lead in: -11323 (97:31/02)
ATIP start of lead out: 336225 (74:45/00)
Disk type: Long strategy type (Cyanine, AZ0 or similar)
Manuf. index: 22
Manufacturer: Ritek Co.
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 1 in write mode for single session
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
Waiting for reader process to fill input-buffer ... input-buffer
ready.
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01: 0 MB written. {system hangs with cursor here after
read/write light blinks}
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From: Thomas F. Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!!
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:51:00 GMT
Smallsoft reinvents the wheel? WOW...who cares they have enough=20
money ;-)
...and my grandfather was the king of china...
greetings Thomas ;-))))))))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Am 06.03.00, 15:22:41, schrieb "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=
=20
zum Thema Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!!:
> Julio C. Gutierrez wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Hi all,
> >
> >This is worth reading!
> >
> >Microsoft has been working hard to develop a new technology that will=
=20
save
> >disk space!! Links to files!!!! Incredible? No!
> >
> >Read it detailed at:
> >
> >http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp
> >
> >PS: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!=
> >
> >--
> >Julio C. Gutierrez -- Please remove both X to send email
> >Penguins live only in cool environments... ;)
> This ranks right up there with Al Gore's claim to have invented
> the Internet (when everyone knows that Bill Gates invented it -
> right after he invented the computer). :-)
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to add new hardware in Linux?
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:51:03 GMT
Per Inge Oestmoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:13:31 +0100, wrote :
PIO> Hello,
PIO>
PIO> As a newcomer to Linux, there is a question that seems less obvious than
PIO> it should be:
PIO>
PIO> When one buys a Linux distribution, often you have hardware which is not
PIO> supported by the material found in the present package. That is cool; I
PIO> know that the support is under way.
PIO>
PIO> However, there the problem arises: In the absence of a Windows-style
PIO> driver model, how is support for new hardware in Linux added?
PIO>
PIO> A case in point is my own SCSI card, scanner and graphics card. Neither
PIO> of these pieces of equipment have have support in my present SuSE 6.3,
PIO> but if and when it comes, there must be a procedure for adding it to
PIO> one's Linux installation. The same is of course true for all new
PIO> hardware any Linux user might buy.
PIO>
PIO> Then the question arises: How do we a) find and b) install the necessary
PIO> additions that will allow the use of new hardware? Understandably, some
PIO> form for upgrade must happen, but how is this accomplished? I take for
PIO> granted that one does not have to buy/download a new distribution after
PIO> each time a new piece of hardware is added, but what exactly are the
PIO> procedures for adding it?
There are a couple of different ways these things are handled. Linux
has a somewhat *different* definition of 'device driver' from
MS-Windows.
For example, there is no such thing (in the MS-Windows sense) as a
video card driver or printer driver or (in some cases) scanner driver.
Video cards are supported by an 'X Server' program (see
<http://www.xfree86.org/>). This is just a regular program. You
download it and install it in /usr/X11R6/bin/ and run one of the X11
config utilities, which will make a symlink to it named 'X', which will
get fired up by the startx program.
Printers are handled with a filter, usually ghostscript. Ghostscript
comes built to support a whole slew of printers and can be
re-configured and re-built to support the more obscure printer types.
Scanners are handled with patched versions of xv or GIMP plugins or
special stand-alone programs. Scanners either live off the parallel
port (the patched xv, GIMP plugin, or special stand-alone program, does
I/O to /dev/lp?, using the parport kernel driver) or SCSI (the patched
xv, GIMP plugin, or special stand-alone program, does I/O to /dev/sg?
device, using the generic SCSI device support in the kernel).
SCSI cards use a real live driver module. This is built as a kernel
driver module, generally by compiling against stuff under
/usr/src/linux/... and creating a .o file, which gets dropped in
/lib/modules/<kernel version>/scsi/. /etc/conf.modules gets edited,
usually with the kernelcfg program to add a mapping from
'scsi_hostadapter' to the name of the .o file. This .o file might also
be available pre-compiled for your kernel as a download-able file -- you
download it and drop it into /lib/modules/<kernel version>/scsi/ and
run kernelcfg to set things up.
Ethernet cards are like SCSI cards and also use a real live driver
module. Everything is just like for SCSI cards, except the driver goes
in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/net/. Sound cards are similar -- their
drivers go in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/misc/.
All of this can be done to an installed system (so long as the driver
modules are either built against the installed kernel, either by you
from sources or pre-built). Similarly for the various non-kernel mode
stuff -- X servers (video cards), ghostscript (printers),
xv/GIMP/whatever (scanners) -- these are all non-kernel programs --
you'll either download source code + patches, apply patches, re-compile,
and install OR you will get a properly built versions (for RedHat as
.i386.rpm files) which you would install, using the proper install tools
(eg rpm), which should check for compatibility issues (dependencies).
PIO>
PIO> --
PIO> Per Inge Oestmoen
PIO> http://home.powertech.no/pioe/
PIO>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPP needs 2 tries for session
Date: 7 Mar 2000 02:58:29 GMT
In <89vps8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Huckeby) writes:
] Can anyone tell me what's going on here? I give the command:
]"ifup ppp0", the phone rings, a connection is apparently established
]momentarily, then PPP hangs up, dials again, and the second time
]I get a continuous connection until I terminate it with: "ifdown ppp0".
Go to the Redhat site and update you ppp and kppp.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH on a laptop
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:50:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In a message on Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:35:22 -0500, wrote :
S> Hello
S>
S> I can buy a quite cheap laptop, Toshiba Satellite 2100 CDS. Before to
S> buy it, I'd like to know if it's possible to insall Linux RH on it,
S> and if there are any limitations. Are all drivers available ?
S> (soundcard, modem, screen, cdrom and other PCMCIA devices)
S>
S> Generaly speaking, is it possible to install Linux on most of the
S> laptops ?
Generally Linux is happy on almost *any* laptop. Whether you will be
happy once Linux is installed depends.
Laptops generally are not as 'standardized' WRT video chips, soundcards,
and (internal) modems.
Most *new* Laptops have 'WinModems' (controller-less) internal modems.
Linux does not work with these modems (there are some drivers for a few
selected chipsets). There are however some good PCMCIA modem cards that
use real (controller type / UART-based) modem logic -- these work fine
with Linux. Unless you can get good information about whatever internal
modem options are available and can cross-reference them with the table
at <http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html>, you should get a Laptop
with no internal modem and get a proper PCMCIA modem card.
The next problem will be the video chip. Check at
<http://www.xfree86.org/> for video chipset support. You may have to
download a beta or patched server. I believe that *most* modern
Laptops will function in a vanila 640x480 (VGA) or 800x600 (SVGA) mode.
Some *older* ones needed special mode lines for special *fixed* clock
rates that were sync'd to the scan freq of the LCD screen. I think the
newer LCD screens function (more) like multi-sync monitors and are no
longer 'fixed freq.' type displays.
I don't know too much about soundcards, except that they can be a bear
to deal with. *I* would say skip the sound card and get a cheap
separate dedicated unit (i.e. a walkman type device). I've not found
that sound is an *esentual* feature of a computer -- if the video and
communication (network) works, you should be 99% golden.
You might want to visit the Linux Laptop HOWTO Page at
<http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Laptop-HOWTO.html> and/or Kenneth E.
Harker's "Linux on Laptops" page at
<http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/>.
S>
S> Thank you for your help,
S>
S> Sacha
S>
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat Installation: How to get past the "Which driver" screen when you
have PCMCIA ethernet
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:51:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack),
In a message on 6 Mar 2000 11:48:10 -0600, wrote :
KM> When installing Red Hat, it gets to a screen where it asks you if you want
KM> to configure "LAN (not dialup)" networking. If you say "Yes", it then asks
KM> you which driver to use. Well, the problem is that you may have a card not
KM> listed on their list or, in particular, you might have PCMCIA ethernet,
KM> which is not listed at all. But I've found no way to get past the screen,
KM> to say - "Yes, I want to install the networking, but, alas, my card is not
KM> on your list".
KM>
KM> Is there any way to do this? If not, what is the workaround? How to setup
KM> the networking later on, after the install?
KM>
The Red Hat is somewhat wonky WRT PCMCIA ethernet. Skip this and set up
the networking after the install. Just select No when it asks if you
want to configure "LAN (not dialup)" networking.
Once the machine is otherwise functional, use the netcfg utility to set
up the networking.
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